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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic
Are we reading this poll different ways, Roxy and Trollheart? To me, it's just trying to give everyone a chance to show what they'd like. If you don't want any changes you can skim through the options and just pick out the ones that'll leave things as they are.
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As I understood it, tore made his first poll which was accused of being loaded and very biased, so he, Freebase and Veganelica got together to write a more inclusive and fair one. If this is not that, then what is it? Has tore given up on his "New dawn for Music Banter" idea? And if so, is this just a suggestion box idea? I don't understand: to me, this was the first poll reworded and improved, basically tore's proposal 2.0? Am I wrong?
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( Never heard about that Lisbon Treaty referéndum, which sounds both sad and bizarre, but I don't think that's what's going on here. I recommend you put in your "No Change" votes so that the poll results reflect what people actually want.)
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It was when we had to vote for a treaty that, essentially, took all our govt's autonomy away and allowed all major decisions for any European Union state to be taken by basically the powers in Europe, mostly Germany. After almost 100 years of freedom and independence, we signed it all away. But the first referendum was defeated by a big margin. Instructed by their European overlords that this would not do (though we were feted in many parts of Europe for having the guts to say NO!) they ran it again a few years later, loaded it with scaremongering and doomsday scenarios, and basically phrased it as much as "Do you want Ireland to take her place in the European community or would you rather she remained isolated?" Who's gonna vote no to that?
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Originally Posted by Janszoon
The issue is that that wasn't really the question in the first place so for someone with my position that issue, which I've made clear from very early on, it's being presented with a proposal they disagree with versus a strawman of their actual position. Kind of problematic.
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Yeah, I really don't understand where this has gone/is going now.
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
My biggest complaint that pushes me to Tore's side is that serious discussion gets derailed too often by drama/"having fun". There is a time and a place for both, and I think bolstering and setting up some new forum standards will help alleviate that.
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Drama does not equal fun nor the other way around. People know when to stop and you can't have everything serious all the time. Many of my threads have been derailed, it's just how it is. Unless the topic is ultra-serious, in which case off-topic posts should definitely be discouraged. We're heading back to Military School again, are we?
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Originally Posted by Goofle
I'm not sure if this has been stated already, but I'd like to highlight the importance of reporting posts you find offensive. I think I can speak for the whole mod team by saying we don't read every single post or conversation that goes on.
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I woudl think the amount of posts considered offensive would be very small. Members (not spammers) are seldom actually offensive in my experience.
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Originally Posted by The Batlord
Maybe not the poll itself, or at least certain options, but considering the impetus of this whole story arc in the first place, I definitely think that that motivation is what's behind the general idea of the poll.
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Batty plans for the movie rights!
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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls
I voted for this but I agree with Jans' take on emoticon/short response usage. I don't have a problem with someone acknowledging someone else's post with a simple "lol" or "good luck" or ROFL emoticon. I don't think those are nonsense.
However, I don't want to see a bunch of memes/gifs/emoticons, being responded to with more memes/gifs/emoticons.
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That happened in someone's journal, basically a battle of the GIFs. I asked it be stopped, and it was. It's not rocket science. If you stay silent then you're only contributing to the problem. Say your piece and be heard, that's how adults do it. Can't see a problem with that.
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