How Should MB Be Moderated?

Trollheart · 06-09-2015, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

I think tore has done a great job with this poll. It' s a rare opportunity for us to get a clear idea of public opinion on a lot of issues that periodically have turned up in MB discussion threads.

It may look complicated at a glance, but it took me about 2 mins to vote. I would strongly recommend other members to make that slight effort too. The poll results could become a useful resource for mods and regulars alike, to either promote or resist change.

As tore says, there are options to show your approval of the status quo as well as suggestions for change, so I say; let your opinion be heard. The more people who vote, the more representative the poll becomes - and remember what they say; if you don't bother to vote, you can't complain about how things are run!

Yeah, Lisna, I'm kind of reminded of our govt's desperate attempts to get us to ratify the Lisbon treaty: they had to ask us twice (what, you didn't hear us clearly enough say NO the first time?) and we eventually voted as they wanted us to. I don't agree with the need for any changes, as I've said, and therefore, for me, voting here is just a pointless exercise. I have looked through all the points, and few if any make any sense to me, or would as far as I can see, enrich my life or the running of the forum. Considering the idea has been defeated on a more or less 2-1 basis on both current polls, I honestly don't see why we need a third.

But vote all you want, I can't stop you. I just don't see this one reflecting any different an outcome than the other two have.

Oh, and now I'm running MB, until someone else posts.

Lisnaholic · 06-09-2015, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Brother, some people don't want change you know , rewording it doesn't make their opinions different just means they still feel the same way they did a week ago.

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

Yeah, Lisna, I'm kind of reminded of our govt's desperate attempts to get us to ratify the Lisbon treaty: they had to ask us twice (what, you didn't hear us clearly enough say NO the first time?) and we eventually voted as they wanted us to. I don't agree with the need for any changes, as I've said, and therefore, for me, voting here is just a pointless exercise. I have looked through all the points, and few if any make any sense to me, or would as far as I can see, enrich my life or the running of the forum. Considering the idea has been defeated on a more or less 2-1 basis on both current polls, I honestly don't see why we need a third.

But vote all you want, I can't stop you. I just don't see this one reflecting any different an outcome than the other two have.

Oh, and now I'm running MB, until someone else posts.

Are we reading this poll different ways, Roxy and Trollheart? To me, it's just trying to give everyone a chance to show what they'd like. If you don't want any changes you can skim through the options and just pick out the ones that'll leave things as they are.

( Never heard about that Lisbon Treaty referéndum, which sounds both sad and bizarre, but I don't think that's what's going on here. I recommend you put in your "No Change" votes so that the poll results reflect what people actually want.)

Plankton · 06-09-2015, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

you can't complain about how things are run!

Sure we can, and then we can make a poll to try and change it.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, and I'm not sure if you'd want my opinion on things around here, but here it is anyway, and I mean no offense whatsoever:

I've only observed a few instances of people demanding change to the way things are run here, and for the most part the changes are brought up from someone who's presence here is a bit more stoic, which is uncommon for the majority of the other members, which are a bit more laid back. This, to me, seems like a control issue. Someone that won't allow a bit of youthful playfulness into a discussion, or needs their thoughts and opinions on what they believe to be taken very seriously by a group of strangers just seems a bit off. Sure, there are times when things get sketchy here, and there will always be trolls, and sometimes people feel the need for posting only one word, or a small phrase, and if you ask me, it's been handled with as much tact and grace as one could possibly expect from the few who are in the position to deal with it. I really only see this poll as an attempt at controlling something which is by nature, a chaotic entity, and is already being handled as such in a manner that not only nurtures fun and friendly discussion, but also addresses the intellectual side of things as well.

That's all I've got.

The Batlord · 06-09-2015, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Sure we can, and then we can make a poll to try and change it.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, and I'm not sure if you'd want my opinion on things around here, but here it is anyway, and I mean no offense whatsoever:

I've only observed a few instances of people demanding change to the way things are run here, and for the most part the changes are brought up from someone who's presence here is a bit more stoic, which is uncommon for the majority of the other members, which are a bit more laid back. This, to me, seems like a control issue. Someone that won't allow a bit of youthful playfulness into a discussion, or needs their thoughts and opinions on what they believe to be taken very seriously by a group of strangers just seems a bit off. Sure, there are times when things get sketchy here, and there will always be trolls, and sometimes people feel the need for posting only one word, or a small phrase, and if you ask me, it's been handled with as much tact and grace as one could possibly expect from the few who are in the position to deal with it. I really only see this poll as an attempt at controlling something which is by nature, a chaotic entity, and is already being handled as such in a manner that not only nurtures fun and friendly discussion, but also addresses the intellectual side of things as well.

That's all I've got.

Pretty much this. Tore has complained that the chaotic nature of the board has attracted those who thrive in such an environment, and repelled those who don't, but he frames it in such a way that he takes it for granted that an atmosphere run by "noisy kids" is by nature inferior to a more serious one.

Of course a certain atmosphere attracts some and repels others, but treating the current vibe as if its something that's "gone wrong" as opposed to just an environment that you happen to dislike is to treat a subjective issue as if it's objective.

Lisnaholic · 06-09-2015, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

Sure we can, and then we can make a poll to try and change it.

I wasn't going to reply to this thread, and I'm not sure if you'd want my opinion on things around here, but here it is anyway, and I mean no offense whatsoever:

I've only observed a few instances of people demanding change to the way things are run here, and for the most part the changes are brought up from someone who's presence here is a bit more stoic, which is uncommon for the majority of the other members, which are a bit more laid back. This, to me, seems like a control issue. Someone that won't allow a bit of youthful playfulness into a discussion, or needs their thoughts and opinions on what they believe to be taken very seriously by a group of strangers just seems a bit off. Sure, there are times when things get sketchy here, and there will always be trolls, and sometimes people feel the need for posting only one word, or a small phrase, and if you ask me, it's been handled with as much tact and grace as one could possibly expect from the few who are in the position to deal with it. I really only see this poll as an attempt at controlling something which is by nature, a chaotic entity, and is already being handled as such in a manner that not only nurtures fun and friendly discussion, but also addresses the intellectual side of things as well.

That's all I've got.

You make a lot of points that I agree with, Plankton; a nice summary of the atmosphere we enjoy on MB.

Just the bolded sentence I'm inclined to disagree with; the poll isn't trying to control anything - it's just trying to collect opinions, For instance, poll option 3A is for allowing short/nonsense posting anywhere on the site, but as I write, only two people have voted for it. Poll option 3B is for discouraging short/nonsense posts outside the Lounge and has four votes at the moment.

Anyone who likes the fun, freewheeling "noisy" MB can vote for 3A, which is a vote against more control and will help demonstrate how popular that option is.

The Batlord · 06-09-2015, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

You make a lot of points that I agree with, Plankton; a nice summary of the atmosphere we enjoy on MB.

Just the bolded sentence I'm inclined to disagree with; the poll isn't trying to control anything - it's just trying to collect opinions, For instance, poll option 3A is for allowing short/nonsense posting anywhere on the site, but as I write, only two people have voted for it. Poll option 3B is for discouraging short/nonsense posts outside the Lounge and has five votes at the moment.

Anyone who likes the fun, freewheeling "noisy" MB can vote for 3A, which is a vote against more control and will help demonstrate how popular that option is.

Maybe not the poll itself, or at least certain options, but considering the impetus of this whole story arc in the first place, I definitely think that that motivation is what's behind the general idea of the poll.

Plankton · 06-09-2015, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Lisnaholic

You make a lot of points that I agree with, Plankton; a nice summary of the atmosphere we enjoy on MB.

Just the bolded sentence I'm inclined to disagree with; the poll isn't trying to control anything - it's just trying to collect opinions, For instance, poll option 3A is for allowing short/nonsense posting anywhere on the site, but as I write, only two people have voted for it. Poll option 3B is for discouraging short/nonsense posts outside the Lounge and has five votes at the moment.

Anyone who likes the fun, freewheeling "noisy" MB can vote for 3A, which is a vote against more control and will help demonstrate how popular that option is.

And what will be done with that data? Ultimately, it will be used to steer the forum in a different direction, which by my logic, is a way to control things. Whether it has any real impact is anyone's guess.

Key · 06-09-2015, 09:29 AM

^thats under the impression that the mods will approve/deny anything regardless of poll results. Almost all the mods have expressed their disapproval so knowing that, what is the point?

**Janszoon** · 06-09-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Ki

^thats under the impression that the mods will approve/deny anything regardless of poll results. Almost all the mods have expressed their disapproval so knowing that, what is the point?

I'm not opposed to making changes if that's what people want.

Burning Down · 06-09-2015, 09:50 AM

Honestly, I have not been here much lately because of personal crap and so have not had the time or patience to read through the original thread. I'm abstaining from voting because I don't yet understand what's going on here.

View Poll Results: Which statements do you agree the most with? (public poll)
1A. The rules should be applied equally to all members (ex. rules apply equally to mods and users)	15	60.00%
1B. The rules should NOT be applied equally to all members (ex. mods more lenient with regualrs)	8	32.00%
2A. Rules should apply equally to all forums	7	28.00%
2B. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. "Safe Zones" less strict)	18	72.00%
3A. Outside safe zones, mod policy should allow for short, nonsense posts	10	40.00%
3B. Outside safe zones, mod policy should discourage short, nonsense posts	13	52.00%
3C. Outside safe zones, mod policy should prohibit short, nonsense posts	2	8.00%
4A. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken	10	40.00%
4B. General mod policy should allow for mods NOT to react to an instance where a rule is broken	15	60.00%
5A. Details of rule enforcement is ultimately between a mod and a user	7	28.00%
5B. Details of rule enforcement can ulimately be subject to other mods scrutiny	4	16.00%
5C. Details of rule enforcement can be subject to public scrutiny	16	64.00%
6A. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use temporary infractions	5	20.00%
6B. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use warnings, infractions / bans	16	64.00%
6C. There should be no general policy for how punishment is carried out	7	28.00%
7A. For rule enforcement, moderators should use a joint, anonymous account	4	16.00%
7B. For rule enforcement, moderators should use their personal accounts	21	84.00%
8A. A new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)	18	72.00%
8B. A new moderation policy should NOT have a trial run first (implemented immediately)	5	20.00%
9A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods.	13	52.00%
9B. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods.	6	24.00%
9C. The current mod team should be retained.	17	68.00%
9D. Some or all of the current moderators should be replaced.	6	24.00%
10. Some of my concerns are not listed in the individual items, but I will voice them in a reply.	5	20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

06-09-2015, 09:29 AM	#8 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^thats under the impression that the mods will approve/deny anything regardless of poll results. Almost all the mods have expressed their disapproval so knowing that, what is the point?

06-09-2015, 09:50 AM	#10 (permalink)
Burning Down The Music Guru. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Beyond the Wall Posts: 4,858	Honestly, I have not been here much lately because of personal crap and so have not had the time or patience to read through the original thread. I'm abstaining from voting because I don't yet understand what's going on here.