How Should MB Be Moderated?

Freebase Dali · 06-11-2015, 11:49 PM

Just letting you folks know that I'm not voting in this poll, which I'm assuming is the real one. Not because I don't agree with the poll, but because it would be a conflict of interest if I did vote in it. SO. Thank you guys for expressing your opinions on the particular matters that Tore and the rest of the community have brought up.

I assure you that wherever any issues present themselves as ambiguous relative to the options, those issues will be re-presented with specifics if need arises, whether from a community or mod standpoint, or both.

Trollheart · 06-12-2015, 06:13 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Really? So we should respect the opinions of Flat Earthers and people searching for Big Foot?

Hell yeah. I even respect your opinion that Manowar are better than Iron Maiden! Doesn't mean I agree with it but I have to respect it. Respect in all things man, respect in all things.

"I do not agree with your opinion, but will fight to the death for your right to hold it": some French guy (Voltaire?)

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Originally Posted by Neapolitan

Big Foot? I mean come on now folks really? Like are there mythical creature hopping around on one foot? ... or do they walk around on two feet? In all the "Big Foot" footage I've seen caught on video they were like tall humanoid creature walking on two feet. They really should be called Big Feet. I find the fact people calling them "Big Foot" little a bit annoying. But hey I respect their opinion if they believe they should be called "Big Foot." In my honest opinion I don't think they should be called "Big Foot." Still I respect the fact other people call them that.

And I think if we can respect scientist, who believe we live in a holographic universe, I think we can afford a little bit of respect for folks who believe the Earth is flat, cause it actually could be flat in a holographic universe, if those scientist are right.

Mr N brings up some valid and hilarious points. Also, didn't you ever read Terry Pratchett, Batty?

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 11:24 AM

That was Voltaire who said that, and it sounds like you're missing his point. Flat earthers, racists, and anti-GMO activists can by all means have their opinion, but I'll be damned if I'm forced to respect it. I will gladly **** all over their opinions, yet I will gladly let them hold their opinions. I think we need a redux of Voltaire's quote.

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I do not agree with your opinion, but will fight to the death for your right to hold it and my right to tell you how ****ing stupid you are.

Oh yes, I like that one.

Trollheart · 06-12-2015, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Frownland

That was Voltaire who said that, and it sounds like you're missing his point. Flat earthers, racists, and anti-GMO activists can by all means have their opinion, but I'll be damned if I'm forced to respect it. I will gladly **** all over their opinions, yet I will gladly let them hold their opinions. I think we need a redux of Voltaire's quote.

Oh yes, I like that one.

That poor man is rolling in his grave.

Also, how am I missing his point? I'm certainly not familiar with his work, but wasn't he saying that everyone should be allowed have an opinion, regardless of whether he agreed with it or not?

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 01:29 PM

Yes, and thinking that someone else's opinion is **** is also an opinion that one can have, hence why Voltaire is cool with not respecting opinions.

And with him being a satirist I think he would have liked my redux.

The Batlord · 06-12-2015, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Trollheart

That poor man is rolling in his grave.

Also, how am I missing his point? I'm certainly not familiar with his work, but wasn't he saying that everyone should be allowed have an opinion, regardless of whether he agreed with it or not?

You're confusing respecting someone's right to have an opinion with actually respecting the opinion that someone has.

Why would you respect the opinion of a Flat Earther? It is not worthy of respect. They believe that the world is flat, despite international airplane travel, photographs from astronauts, and, like... science. Their belief is completely irrational, and deserves no respect, for there is nothing about the belief that holds any value. I respect their right to have the opinion that the Earth is flat, but that's all they're getting from me.

And Frownie brought up the KKK. Whether or not you agree with it, do you respect the opinion that white people are genetically superior to black people? Do you respect the opinion that the races should be kept separate and prevented from interbreeding? Do you respect the Nazis' belief that the Jews should be exterminated?

Trollheart · 06-12-2015, 02:40 PM

The point is, this all blew up out of nothing. All I said was in response to your criticism of Roxy's belief that her infractions, should she get them, should not be available for public scrutiny. Somehow you ended up making this a debate that has now pulled in Flat Earth, Voltaire and the KKK. Some quality trolling there man. I bow to your superior experience.

And that will be my final word on the subject, as I don't wish to a) derail the thread any more than it has already been or b) get into a discussion over whose opinion should or should not be respected.

Taxi for Trollheart? Be right with ya!

DwnWthVwls · 06-12-2015, 04:35 PM

Can we have one thread that is meant to be serious where people stay on topic about the OP? This is the kind of bs that I'd like mods to respond to more consistently.

**Frownland** · 06-12-2015, 04:37 PM

I check up on boring threads I'm not interested in such as this one just for when something off topic happens that's interesting enough for me to read or respond to it.

It's not to mention that Voltaire is one of my favourite philosophers too, I had to do something.

The Batlord · 06-12-2015, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

Can we have one thread that is meant to be serious where people stay on topic about the OP? This is the kind of bs that I'd like mods to respond to more consistently.

Nobody's really discussing anything of any relevance that hasn't already been said. The discussion is done. Now we're just waiting for the voting period to be over.

View Poll Results: Which statements do you agree the most with? (public poll)
1A. The rules should be applied equally to all members (ex. rules apply equally to mods and users)	15	60.00%
1B. The rules should NOT be applied equally to all members (ex. mods more lenient with regualrs)	8	32.00%
2A. Rules should apply equally to all forums	7	28.00%
2B. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. "Safe Zones" less strict)	18	72.00%
3A. Outside safe zones, mod policy should allow for short, nonsense posts	10	40.00%
3B. Outside safe zones, mod policy should discourage short, nonsense posts	13	52.00%
3C. Outside safe zones, mod policy should prohibit short, nonsense posts	2	8.00%
4A. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken	10	40.00%
4B. General mod policy should allow for mods NOT to react to an instance where a rule is broken	15	60.00%
5A. Details of rule enforcement is ultimately between a mod and a user	7	28.00%
5B. Details of rule enforcement can ulimately be subject to other mods scrutiny	4	16.00%
5C. Details of rule enforcement can be subject to public scrutiny	16	64.00%
6A. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use temporary infractions	5	20.00%
6B. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use warnings, infractions / bans	16	64.00%
6C. There should be no general policy for how punishment is carried out	7	28.00%
7A. For rule enforcement, moderators should use a joint, anonymous account	4	16.00%
7B. For rule enforcement, moderators should use their personal accounts	21	84.00%
8A. A new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)	18	72.00%
8B. A new moderation policy should NOT have a trial run first (implemented immediately)	5	20.00%
9A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods.	13	52.00%
9B. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods.	6	24.00%
9C. The current mod team should be retained.	17	68.00%
9D. Some or all of the current moderators should be replaced.	6	24.00%
10. Some of my concerns are not listed in the individual items, but I will voice them in a reply.	5	20.00%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 25. You may not vote on this poll

06-11-2015, 11:49 PM	#171 (permalink)
Freebase Dali Partying on the inside Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 5,584	Just letting you folks know that I'm not voting in this poll, which I'm assuming is the real one. Not because I don't agree with the poll, but because it would be a conflict of interest if I did vote in it. SO. Thank you guys for expressing your opinions on the particular matters that Tore and the rest of the community have brought up. I assure you that wherever any issues present themselves as ambiguous relative to the options, those issues will be re-presented with specifics if need arises, whether from a community or mod standpoint, or both. __________________

06-12-2015, 01:29 PM	#175 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Yes, and thinking that someone else's opinion is **** is also an opinion that one can have, hence why Voltaire is cool with not respecting opinions. And with him being a satirist I think he would have liked my redux. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

06-12-2015, 02:40 PM	#177 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	The point is, this all blew up out of nothing. All I said was in response to your criticism of Roxy's belief that her infractions, should she get them, should not be available for public scrutiny. Somehow you ended up making this a debate that has now pulled in Flat Earth, Voltaire and the KKK. Some quality trolling there man. I bow to your superior experience. And that will be my final word on the subject, as I don't wish to a) derail the thread any more than it has already been or b) get into a discussion over whose opinion should or should not be respected. Taxi for Trollheart? Be right with ya! __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

06-12-2015, 04:37 PM	#179 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I check up on boring threads I'm not interested in such as this one just for when something off topic happens that's interesting enough for me to read or respond to it. It's not to mention that Voltaire is one of my favourite philosophers too, I had to do something. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x