New Policy for Rule Enforcement
 

I've forwarded a suggestion to adopt a new rule enforcing policy. During its discussion, it was suggested we put it up a vote to gauge where the community stands on this issue.

Before voting, please make sure you understand the basics of the infractions system and other details of the suggestion.

Are you for or against the following suggestion?


Suggestion summary

• Mod team is bolstered with additional moderators
• Outside the lounge, moderators consistently enforce rules through the use of temporary infractions
• Rules apply equally to all

Suggestion discussion and reasoning

• Implementation would happen for a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months) and permanently if trial was deemed successful
• The general goal of the suggestion is to prevent fights and bickering from erupting as well as create an environment where rule enforcement is treated with integrity and is predictable to our members.
• The goal is not to turn MB into a police state, nazi state, etc. Nobody wants that.
• A number of infractions are required before it has a practical effect. Hence, it generally requires several punitive actions within a specific period of time before a member's freedom is limited.
• The proposed system would be relatively forgiving in that when infractions time out, they no longer have any effect. This potentially allows for an endless amount of chances for a member to improve behaviour and regain freedom to use the boards.
• The current rules should be revised before implementation

Discuss the proposed system here.

edit :

PS! A new, more detailed poll has since been created as a result of the discussion here. You can find it here : http://www.musicbanter.com/announcem...moderated.html

Thank you.

I think the title of the thread is pretty loaded. I'd prefer something more along the lines of "Are You In Favor of the Proposed Rule Changes?".

Na, I'm 100% fine with the rules.

How about all in favor?


Now that you point it out, kinda sounds like Obama's initial campaign platform. Change. Hope. :laughing:

Use the vote button, doofus. I can't keep talley if you just respond. :P Means I have to count and we all know I can't.

I think it is pretty accurate.

Equal means that everyone receives punishment for breaking rules. To rid this site of favoritism which might otherwise protect a rule breaking member is one of the most important ideas behind this suggestion.

Consistent means that enforcement follows as a predictable consequence whenever a rule is broken and that enforcement of that rule happens in a predictable way, ex. always with a PM stating the cause and an amount of infractions that you can gauge beforehand.

This is at the heart, soul and goal of the philosophy behind the suggestion.

lol I forgot. I do apologise, most sincerely. Will do this now.

I've never had any reason to have a problem with the rules. Not sure I agree with permabans but nothing to do with me.

Voted anyway.

Some solid, educated reasoning behind that vote, I'm sure.

Can't just be Martin's preference?

It's your idea, so of course you think the title is accurate. If I were to have made the thread, I'd think "Do You Want More Rules and Infractions?" would be pretty accurate as well.

Now, now. Let's keep it civil and on-topic. Wouldn't want to get an infraction.

I suspect Martin is voting according to social pressures rather than any informed opinion he's made up for himself.

Of course you do, it's your proposal, but nevertheless it's an exceptionally loaded way of asking the question.

Not really. I am not proposing more rules and you would only get more infractions if you were breaking the rules.

"Would you like more rules enforcement?" would be better.

See the problem is if he quit like 20 pages ago, he would come off less like a used car salesman. Now it just seems like you want us to buy a lemon because it's only been driven to church by a little old lady on Sundays.

And are there lemon laws that go with this change if the vote finds that this is what should be done?

My goal is to improve on how this site is run and for this reason, I am proposing a policy to ensure equal treatment of members and consistent rules enforcing. The intention is idealistic.

What else should I call it? "Do You Want To Turn MB Into A Police State?" I don't want that.

Does it have to be? I've never had a problem with them or any of the mods so I'm not gonna read pages of posts discussing it. I am happy with them, I think they are fine as they are and have done throughout my e-career.

If there is a change rest assured I will adhere fully to the rules.

This will be my last post on it because I really couldn't care less m8.

Social pressures :D

Give over, I haven't read the first thread, saw the question asked so I answered it. I had no idea what anyone else thought.

Well that really says loads about your perception of Martin. Because over the last 2 years I have never seen, Fluffykittens, Monkeytennis, Martin or whatever the **** he wants to be called that day go with something because he felt like the herd was moving that way.

Brochacho, you are an effective salesman, but you have gotten to the point of so selly it's not trustworthy. Com'on now.

Well, he really couldn't care less, m8. Still, he voted.

How about something unbiased like, "Would you like to see Tore's moderatation proposal implemented"?

And?


Edit: Next poll is Janszoon's hair fantastic?

Are you going to have a snarky response for every vote you disagree with? Because if so I'll just go ahead and lock this thread right now.

That doesn't really give information about what I've proposed. Furthermore, the suggestion is also modified by other members. Finally, it would make it real easy for those who don't like me to just vote no because of that, regardless of what the suggestion actually is.

So, that's a much worse title.

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No, sorry for being snarky. I'll stop posting in this thread.

Perfect example of why consistency isn't a bad idea.

Did you vote?^.

Neither does yours. The title gives no details on how this whole thing will be implemented, so it's just a broad question with no inherent worth. Do you want people to vote based on the title alone, without knowing what they're actually voting for?

Yes. If you click the number of votes you can see all who voted and what their vote was.

K.

It's absolutely a loaded question, I'm kind of shocked Tore won't acknowledge that.

So I don't think this poll was handled well at all but oh well, my vote is cast and I don't see the other option catching up at this point given the reception in the other thread.

Nope. I think this whole thing about making new rules is stupid and i'm surprised it's gotten this far. If it were any other member on the forum, this whole thing would've been dealt with much quicker and the threads would've been locked.

#Thinksnewrulesarestupidandcomplainsaboutcurrentrules

I'm not complaining about rules. I'm just saying that i'm surprised that this has been allowed to evolve to this point. If it were me or you trying to do this, things would've been put to a stop the next day.

Regardless of us all sounding hypocritical at one point or another in either thread, (because ultimately that's what happened) . It's being voted upon and that should really be the thing that stands alone. If it's a no, then lets drop it and move on, if its a yes then ok we'll see what happens. If it turns into a police state, those of you that have my # know where and how to find me and I am out. I shudder to think about a place where I don't get called a flat chested beaner at least once a month.

Nah, we're both just too lazy to put in the time and energy that Tore did OR no one takes us seriously because of our forum presence. If you or I had made this it would have invited Batlord to spam .gifs and mock us, derailing the entire thread and eliminating all possibility for discussion.

I hate it when you make good points, but you do make some good points. God, I gotta go wash my mouth out now.

Still, I don't think new rules are necessary. But, that's all I'll say here. I don't want to start repeating myself with things that i've already said in the other thread.

I voted "I don't know". while I've been registered for about 6 months I haven't done much posting until recently. I couldn't say how well or poorly the rules have been enforced. I would like to make a couple of statements, though.

The new rules seem a bit heavy-handed or at least that's the way they seem to this newbie. I'm not sure if my posts in the smooth jazz thread would have caused me a problem under the new rules (I suspect they might have). I don't think I went over the line, but i might have been what could have seemed to be a little harsh.

On the other hand, in the thread discussing this thread, Admin Yac made a statement that Music Banter was "anarchy". In fact, anarchy is not what many people think it is. It doesn't everyone can do anything they want. I mean, someone still has to be in charge of picking up the garbage every week. somebody has to empty the Proverbial cat box. Naturally, there has to be rules.

It seems the larger number of members thus far are relatively happy with things as they are.

If the new rules are adopted, I don't think I'd last too long. I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to break the rules, but it's my guess that I would.

On an issue this devisive, with talk of peer-pressure voting, I would've thought a secret ballot would've been more appropriate, just like they have in elections. Is there a reason, or is it just an oversight that the voting is public ?

I dunno it just says how many in favor.I think its secret enough.