RoxyRollah

Jen, can you clairfy Janszys post. I mean it made no sense ,to me anyways.

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The Batlord

^^^

I would support this poll. I'd have to give each option a bit of thought, as I'm not opposed to the idea of slight changes (f.ex. stricter enforcement of rules about off-topic posts outside of the Lounge), but really it's Tore's idea for an infraction system that I most want nothing to do with.

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Freebase Dali

@Tore: Looks better. Here's how I would have written it in my own perspective of reality in an internet forum. Just my take.
(the .5 ones are just what I added later without wanting to re-number everything)

1. The mod team should be bolstered with additional qualified mods

2. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional qualified mods and is fine as-is

2.5 The mod team should be bolstered with whoever most people like, irrelevant of personality or temper

3. The rule against short, nonsense posts should be kept, in a context where a user habitually offers nothing more than short, nonsense posts

4. The rule against short nonsense posts should NOT be kept, and everyone should be allowed to habitually make short, nonsense posts regardless of history or context

4.5 The rule against short nonsense posts should be strictly adhered to, irrelevant of context.

5. The rules should apply equally to all, including moderators, no matter the context

6. The rules should NOT apply equally to all, contingent on context and standard, reasonable judgement

7. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken

8. General mod policy should NOT be to react to every instance where a rule is broken

9. General mod policy should be to judge every potential instance where a rule is broken and make a decision congruent with context

10. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use infractions

11. For punishment, there should NOT be a general policy to use infractions

11.5 For punishment, there should be a graduating approach that begins with a warning, followed by a set number of infractions, followed by a set number of temp bans, followed by a permaban

12. Rules should apply equally to all forums

13. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. The Lounge forum less strict or other designated "safe zones")

14. A new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)

15. A new moderation policy should NOT have a trial run first and should be implemented immediately

Alternate votes:

16. I don't think anything is wrong, and have no need to vote on individual items

17. I think something is wrong, but my concerns are not listed in the individual items, and I will voice them in my reply to this thread

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Guybrush

Thanks for your feedback. Can poll text be that long?

I think some options can be formulated better. For example;

The "strictly adhered to, irrelevant of context" might cause confusion. If a member thinks that there should be safe zones from strict rules, then they might vote no for this because they thought the option says short posts rule should be enforced regardless, even in safe zones.

There are other wordings I have some issues with, but commentingon all is a bit much. I'll just give my set of suggestions and then perhaps add some comments. Also, I like the way you number your options, but how about if each number represents one question or issue? You'll read what I mean below.

Bolstering the mod team

1. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods

1. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods

I'm thinking we don't need to poll about recruitment policies and qualifications at this time, rather crossing that river when/if we get to it. Actually, bringing up this whole bolstering issue might be redundant as I assume a decision to take on more mods is and should be based more on actual need more than answers in this poll.

Short nonsense posts

2. Outside safe zones, mod policy should allow for short, nonsense posts (ex. one-word posts are okay)

2. Outside safe zones, mod policy should discourage short, nonsense posts (ex. you can get away with a few, but not many)

2. Outside safe zones, mod policy should prohibit short, nonsense posts (ex. one-word posts are not allowed)

It occurred to me that it may be smarter to ask people what they want the environment to be like rather than specifically what they think should be done with a rule.

Equality

3. The rules should be applied equally to all members (ex. no favoritism, mods and users generally treated the same)

3. The rules should NOT be applied equally to all members (ex. mods are generally more lenient with long time members and mods than others)

I've removed the word context from the options as context is not really going away and would be used in both scenarios.

Mod Reaction Policy

4. General mod policy should be to react to every instance where a rule is broken (ex. the mods react the first time and every other time a user breaks a rule)

4. General mod policy should allow for mods NOT to react to an instance where a rule is broken (ex. allows for mods to first react to rule breaking when member does it repeatedly)

Punishment policy

5. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use temporary infractions (enough infractions result in a ban)

5. For punishment, there should be a general policy to use warnings, infractions / temp bans and permabans

5. There should be no general policy for how punishment is carried out

Safe zones

6. Rules should apply equally to all forums

6. Rules should NOT apply equally to all forums (ex. The Lounge forum less strict or other designated "safe zones")

Trial run

7. A new moderation policy should have a trial run first (ex. 1 - 2 months)

7. A new moderation policy should NOT have a trial run first (implemented immediately)

Transparency policy

8. Details of rule enforcement is ultimately between a mod and a user (ex. Mod-user PMs can remain secret)

8. Details of rule enforcement can ulimately be subject to other mods scrutiny (ex. Mod-user PMs are visible to other mods or can be made available)

8. Details of rule enforcement can be subject to public scrutiny (Mod-user PMs can be made available to all)

Other

9. Some of my concerns are not listed in the individual items, but I will voice them in a reply.

Thoughts?

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VEGANGELICA

Tore, I like how you created a topic heading for the items up for vote, and I like Freebase's ideas on trying to clarify and distinguish among the various options that could be put up for vote.

I recommend using a number and a letter for each item to make the potential new poll a little less confusing. Example:

Mod team

1A. The mod team should be bolstered with additional mods.

1B. The mod team should NOT be bolstered with additional mods.

1C. The current mod team should be retained.

1D. Some or all of the current moderators should be replaced.

(I would add "1C" and "1D" to give those members who have the opinion that some or all of the current mod team should be replaced a chance to voice it officially, since it has been suggested.)

Freebase suggested this option: "The mod team should be bolstered with whoever most people like, irrelevant of personality or temper."

Freebase, does this ^ suggest that a new mod would be picked based on popular vote, rather than moderators selecting among willing candidates?

I think that it would be good to offer a counter option for mod selection, too, such as: "The mod team should be bolstered with new moderators based on personality and temper rather than popularity."

If anyone actually reads through and gets to the end of this proposed long and more detailed poll, I will be really impressed!
(EDIT: Especially if that person is right-track. )

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Freebase Dali

I wouldn't personally stick around at a forum where mods are chosen by popular community vote alone, but I don't think it hurts to at least see what the community has to say about the matter. I included the particular option as a counterbalance to the other related options as to not leave out the ability to disagree and keep the options as "fair" as possible.

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right-track

[QUOTE=VEGANGELICA;1599171
If anyone actually reads through and gets to the end of this proposed long and more detailed poll, I will be really impressed!
(EDIT: Especially if that person is right-track. )[/QUOTE]

Dear Veganjellyhead, its not for me to have an opinion having lost touch with the dynamics of MB and how it's currently moderated.
I doubt there's much needs changing.

Tore mentioned the old infraction system of which I was a big fan of and was sad to see it go.
Think we used a 3 strikes and out rule.
That way all the mods were reading from the same page when it came to dealing with problem members.
It created a level playing field for both moderators and members if used even handedly.
Replacing moderators who rarely visit the site or moderate was also important. Especially when there are keen, regular members who'd love a chance to moderate these boards.

Freebase Dali

@Tore, I think that's a nice cleanup and a good compromise between the original and mine.

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DwnWthVwls

So I don't know if this has been asked but are the mods willing to uphold any changes the community is in favor of or will you continue to run things how the mod team as a whole sees fit? Some of these changes will inevitably demand more time and effort if we expect to see any sort of consistency and I'm sure many of you either don't have it or just don't feel the need/desire to put in the extra effort (which is totally understandable).

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Freebase Dali

Personally, I wouldn't have spent all the time I've put into commenting about this whole thing if I wasn't going to advocate for whatever the community wanted. But that doesn't mean I'm going to quit my job in order to mod MB more often in order to fulfill the extra obligation. Which is why I support getting more mods, assuming there are candidates out there that wouldn't just make this all a waste of time to begin with.

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