New Policy for Rule Enforcement

fiddler · 06-02-2015, 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

My thing is don't complain that Tore did not try to get suggestions and feedback prior to the poll...when he did before the poll was even created. I hate when people try to make someone out to be something that they are not and bully people into a corner just because they don't agree with their stance on an an issue. He has been very diplomatic this entire time, more than what I can say for some of you.

The thing is you're doing exactly that. I've been up to date on the entire thread and I can honestly say that there's nobody claiming the conversation never happened. It's not about what the poll is asking, but how it's being asked. My way or the highway doesn't work in a community like this. It's the iceburg that sinks the ship. Might not be a problem to start with, but water surely fills the cavities. And the last time I checked, ships filled to the brim with water don't float.

And I'm pretty sure you ignored/blocked me, which is just fine by me. I think it's a cowardly move but it is your choice to do so. Instead of responding to what I've said directly to you, you can just block anyone whose responses you simply don't want to see.

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

^Yac didn't agree. He said its up to the community.

Thats a lie he did agree.

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Originally Posted by Yac

I took my time responding to this, but here's my take on rules and rules enforcement.
As some of you probably know, I'm a lot more active on city-data.com/forum than here, here I only visit to help the mods out if there is need and to(though I have to say they are a great bunch that can deal with anything thrown at them).
At city-data, rules enforcement is strict. Very strict even. Infractions are very common, many folks spend sometimes months restricted - even though to get that kind of punishment they had to really work for it, it is harsh.
Musicbanter is.. well, anarchy. Mods are a lot more relaxed and I think this style of moderation fits this forum very well, certainly better than my very strict approach.
Having said that though, as with everything the best solution lies somewhere in the middle. Imo MB cold use just a pinch of rules, not too much as it's an unique ecosystemso to say that would be completely ruined if the changes were too big.
I won't name any specific members, but the biggest problem is member ego. There's a certain kind of people that at a specific point, once they feel safe enough, start acting like they are better. Start acting like they can do whatever the f*ck they want because hey, they've been here a while, people recognize them, they're allowed. Often the results are comical or at least within the boundaries of the usual forum banter, but sometimes it becomes so bad it ruins the experience for everybody. And this isn't just a senior member issue, that specific point in time I mentioned depends on the person.
Then there is the fact that the sole source of revenue for this site are google ads - and they are by far not as invasive as they can be. In fact, registered members either see very few or don't see them at all.For the forum to work the way it does, without any banners, popups and all that crap, it needs to maintain some standards.
So here's my take on this: I don't think a slightly stricter approach to rules would hurt. It wouldn't muzzle the forum at all. In fact I'm sure many folks would find it refreshing that they can actually discuss some topics in detail without having to deal with "funny" comments from members that couldn't care less and only came into the thread to mock it. Rules need to be applied to everybody equally, regardless whether he or she has 3 or 3000 posts, regardless who they are friends with. Additionally repeated rules violations should be treated seriously. We're all humans, we all make mistakes. We all sometimes get carried away. But when someone is hijacking a thread with his drivel again and again... maybe he should enjoy a week away from the forum. If he or she won't listen to reason, only a stronger punishment can potentially convince him to start acting properly.
Having said all that, It's all up to the mods and the community. I am sure that a compromise can be reached that will satisfy all but the most fringe anarchists/authoritarians

Yac.

Key · 06-02-2015, 10:32 PM

^thanks for proving my point.

RoxyRollah · 06-02-2015, 10:33 PM

Dude what the hell ? I can't read that on my phone. Stop yelling, Christ on ice.

**Janszoon** · 06-02-2015, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Dude what the hell ? I can't read that on my phone. Stop yelling, Christ on ice.

I removed the distracting formatting for you.

RoxyRollah · 06-02-2015, 10:36 PM

You're worth your weight in gold.

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali

Soulflower:

I'm glad Tore drummed up the interest he did. Which is simultaneously off-putting, because you would think that if most people were feeling so strongly about the issue, we might have gotten notice before then. But since his post seems to have given others the confidence to say what they couldn't say on their own before, then let them speak.

But let them speak precisely.

You do this with multiple choice, not a package. This is not about Tore, it's about how to best represent the community Tore is trying to advocate for. If he is truly out there for the community, then he will agree, and I suspect he will, because I suspect he is.

We could make the poll for him that includes the ability for each of Tore's proposed items to be selected individually, but since it was his proposal I think it best that we let him decide to do that or not. And his decision will say everything. And your decisions as a community if he decides to itemize rule changes as votes, will say even more.

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And with that, I'm out. I don't think there's anything further that needs to be said on the matter.

I am not disagreeing with this... but I don't think its right to imply he did not try to get feedback from members regarding what THEY wanted to see implemented prior to the creation of the poll when he did.

**Janszoon** · 06-02-2015, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

^Yac didn't agree. He said its up to the community.

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Originally Posted by Soulflower

Thats a lie he did agree.

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Originally Posted by Yac

It's all up to the mods and the community. I am sure that a compromise can be reached that will satisfy all but the most fringe anarchists/authoritarians

Yac.

RoxyRollah · 06-02-2015, 10:38 PM

I know right.

~~Soulflower~~ · 06-02-2015, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Ki

^thanks for proving my point.

You lied and said he did not agree when he did agree with Tore.

Also, he said its up to the mod and the community (collaborative effort) not just the community.

View Poll Results: Are you in favour of a new policy for rule enforcement? (not anonymous)
Yes	13	36.11%
No	20	55.56%
Don't know	3	8.33%
Voters: 36. You may not vote on this poll

06-02-2015, 10:32 PM	#93 (permalink)
Key . Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 13,153	^thanks for proving my point.