Changes to Rule Enforcement

RoxyRollah · 05-28-2015, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

How do you know, if he never gave a reason? If he wanted to say that MB was going to hell, he'd have just said it. He wasn't a shy guy. You can't blame any of us for trying to understand it, and coming to conclusions.

Anyway, I told everyone to decide for themselves, and that's exactly what they did. The fact that everyone blamed me for it says as much about them as it does about me. The reason why I keep saying "I'm probably the reason why Urban left" is because that is the consensus, and because our issues and contact when he left involved more than just the Confessional Thread. I have a good reason to believe it, and everyone else does. It's not like I want everyone to think i'm Oriphiel: Slayer of Urbans. I stayed out of his goodbye thread specifically to keep that kind of thing from happening.

We were as much friends as we were enemies. It really bothered me when he left. I've tried very hard to keep this from becoming an issue, so please don't judge me without knowing my relationship with him. I'm sorry for putting words into your mouth, for what it's worth.

No you're not and you aren't friends with him at all. I know because we are friends. Like text overseas friends. Stop lying.

Oriphiel · 05-28-2015, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Urban's been complaining about how the site sucks as long as I've been here. He's one of those "In my day, we actually talked about music" kind of guys.

But he also kinda loved this place, especially the leniency, and he loved to play pranks and make jokes.

But enough with the Urban speculation. It's my fault for bringing it up. My point had nothing to do with Urban's motives; it had to do with how the community, even though they were very angry, acted very reasonably.

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

No you're not and you aren't friends with him at all. I know because we are friends. Like text overseas friends. Stop lying.

Believe what you want. Hate me, call me a liar, I don't really mind. I'm done putting thoughts into the mind of a guy who isn't around anymore, so feel free to do the same. He's gone, and i'm over it, whether he loved or hated me.

Guybrush · 05-28-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

If you think you're the reason Urban left you have a gigantic ego. No one knows what happened with him, and if they do, they haven't confirmed it one way or another. You might have been the straw which really doesn't say much.

Yes, Urban leaving has probably been years in the making. I don't have anymore time today for a long response, so I'll wait, but I'll reply briefly.

Oriphiel, you see no problems where I see plenty. For example, you write that :

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

By your logic, since this has been going on for awhile and the "great members" have apparently been leaving, then shouldn't the forum be more volatile than ever?

Well, wasn't it a volatile situation that just became the last straw for Urban? You mention how Trollheart is rewarded for his efforts. Isn't he also one of the most mocked members here? (I'm sorry TH, I wish it wasn't so, but that's how it seems to me.)

You suggest I find another forum. Earlier, I left MB because I didn't like the environment here and yes, I discuss music in other places on the internet. Recently, I thought I'd give MB another chance and see what things are like here. It's not much better than it was and so I'm doing another stab at trying to change things. If I can't and the current climate persists or worsens, I will choose to discuss music elsewhere, as will others. This is like a playground full of very loud kids. If you can stand loud kids, you can be here. If you are a loud kid, you will thrive. If you don't like loud kids, you will eventually get tired and will want to leave.

RoxyRollah · 05-28-2015, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

Believe what you want. Hate me, call me a liar, I don't really mind. I'm done putting thoughts into the mind of a guy who isn't around anymore, so feel free to do the same. He's gone, and i'm over it, whether he loved or hated me.

But he also loved this place, especially the leniency, and he loved to play pranks and make jokes.

But enough with the Urban speculation. It's my fault for bringing it up. My point had nothing to do with Urban's motives; it had to do with how the community, even though they were very angry, acted very reasonably.

Fucking stop! I am disgusted by this, and I am floored that in the face of someone saying, hey we are really tight, and you aren't his friend, you still try and lie your way out of it.

The Batlord · 05-28-2015, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Fucking stop! I am disgusted by this, and I am floored that in the face of someone saying, hey we are really tight, and you aren't his friend, you still try and lie your way out of it.

Oh my god who cares?

RoxyRollah · 05-28-2015, 10:23 AM

Dude I dont like that ****.

The Batlord · 05-28-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Dude I dont like that ****.

You're arguing over whether or not Urban and Oriphiel were friends. This is quite possibly the most inane debate to have ever occurred on this forum.

Oriphiel · 05-28-2015, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Fucking stop! I am disgusted by this, and I am floored that in the face of someone saying, hey we are really tight, and you aren't his friend, you still try and lie your way out of it.

And I can see why you'd feel that way. I'm a ham-handed asshole. I'm not trying to lie my way out of anything. I am almost certainly why Urban left, and that negates virtually any positive conversations that we may have had. I messed up.

Now, back to the debate...

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Originally Posted by tore

Yes, Urban leaving has probably been years in the making. I don't have anymore time today for a long response, so I'll wait, but I'll reply briefly.

Oriphiel, you see no problems where I see plenty. For example, you write that :

Well, wasn't it a volatile situation that just became the last straw for Urban? You mention how Trollheart is rewarded for his efforts. Isn't he also one of the most mocked members here? (I'm sorry TH, I wish it wasn't so, but that's how it seems to me.)

Yes, but far less volatile than the kind of fighting that happened when Sansa and Dirty were around. Compared to, for example, Boo Boo banning everyone after a nasty fight, I'd say we've actually been acting very maturely lately. We're just as good as we've always been, and there has always been weird crap going on. I just really don't see the degradation that you're talking about.

Also, the main people who mock Trollheart are the ones that love him the most. They love to poke at him for being so welcoming/benign, and it's great to be on a forum where people can comfortably take digs at each other every now and then.

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Originally Posted by tore

You suggest I find another forum. Earlier, I left MB because I didn't like the environment here and yes, I discuss music in other places on the internet. Recently, I thought I'd give MB another chance and see what things are like here. It's not much better than it was and so I'm doing another stab at trying to change things. If I can't and the current climate persists or worsens, I will choose to discuss music elsewhere, as will others. This is like a playground full of very loud kids. If you can stand loud kids, you can be here. If you are a loud kid, you will thrive. If you don't like loud kids, you will eventually get tired and will want to leave.

Yet you came back. You like this forum, and can't stay away from it, but you also want to take away what makes it different from other forums. But enough of all that...

I think we're both being idealistic here. Did you think about the compromise that I mentioned (where at first only The Lounge would be heavily moderated)? How do you feel about that?

DwnWthVwls · 05-28-2015, 10:29 AM

Anyway to get back on topic, here are a few things I think the mods could be more proactive about addressing:

-Hurtful/aggressive name calling (edit or delete post with explanation)
-Intentional thread derailment in serious topics (remove all off topic posts, maybe put them in spam thread) ... it's okay when the conversation naturally flows into something else but if someone makes some off the wall comment that has nothing to do with what's currently being discussed and it ends up destroying the conversation, I think that's a problem.

These 2 things alone would go a long way in improving the forums without destroying the current vibe. It also requires quite a bit more mod activity to stay on top of these things.

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're arguing over whether or not Urban and Oriphiel were friends. This is quite possibly the most inane debate to have ever occurred on this forum.

and now you're arguing over their argument. and now I'm arguing with you over you arguing with them over their argument. When will the madness end?

RoxyRollah · 05-28-2015, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

You're arguing over whether or not Urban and Oriphiel were friends. This is quite possibly the most inane debate to have ever occurred on this forum.

I' m very loyal,like a pit bull. If it invovles people I care about,and if I see someone spewing patronizingbull**** on behalf of my friend and someone they dont know at all,Imma speak up. And I'd do it every time.