Originally Posted by Janszoon

Again, I don't see the point of a more time consuming and more intrusive system that
does the same thing we're already doing.

Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Trollheart, I really appreciate that you are thinking creatively about how you might prefer rule enforcement to work here at MB, using your *soccer* analogy.

I think one problem with your suggested enforcement system, and the current MB system, is that it can become difficult with so many members and posts to keep track of who has been warned verbally in a thread.

In contrast, an infractions system like Tore suggests would quickly keep track of how many warnings a person receives through the system. This helps create a fairer system that "remembers" how often a member has been given warnings.

A second issue with the "yellow flags" idea, I feel, is that frequent verbal warnings in a thread disrupt the flow of the thread, can be misunderstood if the warning is given to people in general rather than specific members, and can easily be ignored by a member or members. I prefer moderation to be done mostly behind the scenes through PMs and an infraction system.

This current thread serves as a good example of how a verbal warning isn't always very effective. Janszoon gave the following verbal warning, asking people to stay on the topic of MB rules and Tore's proposals...



...but then just several pages later (after some posts between Chula and Jans to clarify whom his general warning was meant for), people made around 15 off-topic posts with critical, denigrating comments about Soulflower, culminating with this one, by a mod:



^ None of these off-topic posts that were putting down one of our members subsequent to Janszoon's warning were addressed by a moderator. This is an example of how verbal warnings weren't handed out equally in the thread, and of how a verbal warning to stay on-topic did not stop the thread from going off-topic later.

I agree with Soulflower in wanting moderators to respond professionally rather than put a member down in the threads, especially when it is a member who is upset about that very moderator behavior which makes it hard for me to trust that moderators will enforce rules fairly and courteously.

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Enforcing rules about off-topic, short, nonsense posts:

I think some off-topic comments of a funny nature are a real asset to MB and our community, as long as they don't take over a thread that has a specific topic for discussion.

For example, my favorite off-topic funny post in this thread was the one by Frownland, which made my inner 13-year-old girl/boy chuckle...



...but when off-topic posts are intended to jab and personally attack other members, then those posts, I feel, should definitely be addressed through an infractions sytem that can keep track of how many times an individual breaks this rule: "While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, trolling, purposeless inflammatory posts or members deliberately provoking another member into committing any of these acts."

Verbal warnings and "yellow flags" in threads are imprecise and hard to quantify, and easier for members and mods, apparently, to ignore. The infactions system that Tore suggests would, I believe, help limit off-topic as well as personal attack posts in non-lounge threads.

EDIT: Welcome back, Terrible Lizard. I like your avatar!

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Roxy is unable to perpetrate violence. It always somehow turns into BDSM between two consenting adults.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I just want to say your tits are lovely.

Originally Posted by grindy

Roxy is the William S. Burroughs of our time.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I like Roxy, she's awesome and her taste in music far exceeds yours. Roxy is in the Major League bro, and you're like a sad clown in a two bit rodeo.

Originally Posted by tore

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I'm not sure I follow you. Do you mean you apply the rules equally to all already? And that the mod team tries to react to every instance of rule breaking? Or is it that you're already using the infractions system in a consistent, predictable way so that punitive from one mod wouldn't differ much from a punitive action from another mod given the same situation?

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Jen that statement isn't fair.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

I'd just like to point out that the thread meant to get the community involved in discussing ways to make it better is becoming so long-winded that almost nobody wants to read it anymore.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

I think it is a fair statement and thanks for your other post by the way!


None of the moderators have disciplined any of the members who have done the attacking in this thread.

One moderator oddly attacked me.

And one mod edited my font in one of my posts in order to appease you (by the way I would have done that anyway) but he didnt think it was as important to reprimand the other users that were attacking me.

*shrugs*

I look at all of that.

I cant make this up

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Roxy is unable to perpetrate violence. It always somehow turns into BDSM between two consenting adults.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I just want to say your tits are lovely.

Originally Posted by grindy

Roxy is the William S. Burroughs of our time.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I like Roxy, she's awesome and her taste in music far exceeds yours. Roxy is in the Major League bro, and you're like a sad clown in a two bit rodeo.

Originally Posted by exo_

it's also creating arguments and drama, which is something that the advocates of the rules system don't like. This thread is turning into the monster it wishes to defeat.

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Roxy is unable to perpetrate violence. It always somehow turns into BDSM between two consenting adults.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I just want to say your tits are lovely.

Originally Posted by grindy

Roxy is the William S. Burroughs of our time.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I like Roxy, she's awesome and her taste in music far exceeds yours. Roxy is in the Major League bro, and you're like a sad clown in a two bit rodeo.

Originally Posted by RoxyRollah

Chile how the hell am I supposed read the largest font ever through a cracked phone?