Changes to Rule Enforcement

Guybrush · 05-28-2015, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Oriphiel

First of all, it's very rare for there to be drama that actually bleeds into other threads. And it's even more rare for drama to enter into the music forums. Almost all of it is kept contained in the Lounge, where only people looking for off-topic discussion and letting off steam go. Like I said, these new enforcement policies would force everyone to jump through hoops, all to prevent something that is not that common, doesn't affect the main music forums, and is killed very quickly if it starts to spread.

I'll try to rephrase my point. There are only a few members who start fights, and those fights are kept in the Lounge and watched by the moderators, who step in if things get too personal. It doesn't affect most of the members, who are too busy having fun with the music forums to care, and it doesn't "overshadow" any content on Music Banter since it's carefully contained in The Lounge. People who insult others outside of the Lounge are not tolerated for very long (for example, take the recent case of GrtWhtGrvty).

This system works just fine. 90% of Music Banter is just as good as it ever was, and it remains that way no matter what happens in The Lounge. Forcing everyone to have to deal with more restrictions than ever before is not fair to them. It's not fair to them since they shouldn't be kept on a leash because of the actions of just two or three members, and it's not fair to them because the feedback you've received so far has shown that these restrictions you're proposing are neither wanted nor needed.

Of course a thief may not want rules about stealing to be enforced. If you have a lawless sitaution, over time you may accumulate a lot of thieves and when the day comes for enforcing old rules, many will complain.

I still think drama and bad culture is highly visible. Threads with drama spend more time near the top of new threads. They spend more time being the thread with the latest post and I do think it spills over in other threads. Either directly or indirectly in that the tone in a drama thread sets precedent for tone in other threads. If you disagree, that's fine.

Also, part of your argument can be turned on its head. If it's only a few members who are unruly, then it's only a few that would really be affected by my suggestion. That means it's easier to implement.

Guybrush · 05-28-2015, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I mostly agree with Ori. In my experience, the kind of moderation you are talking about only exists on very large forums. I belong to a few, such as the Minecraft forums, where you can hardly even curse, and anything inflammatory/off topic can get you a warning. I don't mind having tight restrictions, but this forum is far to small and personal to have such a rule set.

I would say the current climate is a big reason why this is a small forum.

Also, what you're comparing my suggestion to sounds way more strict than what I'm proposing.

DwnWthVwls · 05-28-2015, 08:16 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

I would say the current climate is a big reason why this is a small forum.

I disagree, it's small because this is a niche culture. Find me a forum with a broader music discussion than this one, and I'll probably leave. I searched around for a while before I decided on this place. There is not much to choose from.

Guybrush · 05-28-2015, 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by DwnWthVwls

I disagree, it's small because this is a niche culture. Find me a forum with a broader music discussion than this one, and I'll probably leave. I searched around for a while before I decided on this place. There is not much to choose from.

I'll send you a PM

The Batlord · 05-28-2015, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

I don't understand where you're going with this and I'm not going to speculate on why each and every mod do what they do.

But generally speaking, they may be motivated because they believe people get less burnt if it hurts every time they put their hand in the fire rather than if it hurts just sometimes.

My point is that you're claiming that mods will change how they moderate because you think this is a good idea. You've already made it clear that nobody really wants to do your suggestion, so why would they take your whole ideal to heart? They're still going to give preferential treatment to longtime members and their friends and moderate only when the situation is already off the rails.

Guybrush · 05-28-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

My point is that you're claiming that mods will change how they moderate because you think this is a good idea. You've already made it clear that nobody really wants to do your suggestion, so why would they take your whole ideal to heart? They're still going to give preferential treatment to longtime members and their friends and moderate only when the situation is already off the rails.

Yes, unless I can convince them that this way is better.

The thing about me is .. I'm the most stubborn person I know. And I generally know when I'm right.

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What I'm right about in this instance that implementation of my suggestion will change the environment of MB to one with less rule-breaking. I understand many people don't want that.)

DwnWthVwls · 05-28-2015, 08:38 AM

I think we have good enough mods that if the forum decided to put a new set of rules in place they would uphold them. Even if they do not like his ideas, perhaps they can come up with their own set of rules to bring some order to this place. I don't think Tore is asking too much, and even though I'd rather keep things the way they are, this is a good discussion to have.

RoxyRollah · 05-28-2015, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Yes, unless I can convince them that this way is better.

The thing about me is .. I'm the most stubborn person I know. And I generally know when I'm right.

/end thread.

The Batlord · 05-28-2015, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by tore

Yes, unless I can convince them that this way is better.

The thing about me is .. I'm the most stubborn person I know. And I generally know when I'm right.

(edit :

What I'm right about in this instance that implementation of my suggestion will change the environment of MB to one with less rule-breaking. I understand many people don't want that.)

Yeah, good luck with that.

DwnWthVwls · 05-28-2015, 08:41 AM

Also, I'm capable of admitting that I probably(definitely) ruined threads/discussions for some people. I've also found myself annoyed when my topics get derailed by jokes/trolling, but that has never been enough to make me want to change the overall experience of the forum.