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06-03-2015, 09:49 AM | #331 (permalink) | |
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To your second point, I'm also going to have to disagree. I'm not going to proofread and read over and over again every single time I post. I don't think i've actually been on a forum that stood by that either, so if you have proof that this type of forum exists, i'd love to see it. I find the casual posting style to be one of the better qualities of this site. The only time I personally care about what my post looks like is when it's in my journal, other than that, I hardly ever worry about what my post says or looks like. Overall, what your saying here is if we don't talk to each other in threads that relate to the topic, we shouldn't even talk at all. Bravo on yet another terrible idea. |
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06-03-2015, 09:53 AM | #332 (permalink) | |
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I don't know why. You were a blast when you started cutting loose. You've got an inane Lounge poster inside of you. You just need to let him out.
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06-03-2015, 10:09 AM | #333 (permalink) | |
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For a quick example of how I think bad posting could be improved, see this post. For the time being, he's chained up in my inner Fritzl dungeon.
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If a warning/infraction/ban is deserved, there's no real reason why anyone should whine about it, especially if they've been able to see it coming. There is, admittedly, nothing worse than getting that PM and once you read it you can no longer access the site (or when you go to the site you get a message saying you've been banned, can't remember which but they're both annoying and a little terrifying) but it does hammer the point home that you crossed the line. Quote:
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So Jansz would be in your sights for an infraction then??
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06-03-2015, 11:55 AM | #335 (permalink) | ||
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Its not that I don't trust you, I worded that poorly. I don't trust parts of this plan.And your push push push approach made me change my mind about it even more,because I start thinking well hes proposed this before and it was shot down once,why is that etc. For me you came off to strong and then ya lost me. And thats not personal . it feels like you are saying you can't police yourself. Which Im more then capable if doing.But as far as using another outlet to communicate with my people from here,I cant realistically text everyone everytime something is hilarious. You feel me, and I dont want to get infracted everytime I So Im sorry if I offened you personally but I dont see that helping in the lounge. But if you can clean up the indie boatds so Im not talking to myself or spammers all day Id spend more time there.
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06-03-2015, 12:10 PM | #336 (permalink) | |||
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The key word is "chat" I don't want those places be considered as troll havens. Kinda the way SYG went from a legit. thread expressing how you felt about other members to a troll haven till it was placed in the "memory hole."
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06-03-2015, 12:17 PM | #337 (permalink) |
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I would just like to make the perhaps unpopular point that in fact, the idea of treating everyone the same is in itself something of a fallacy. A "one size fits all" policy does not work. Think of the context. Look at MB as a, well, community I guess. Some of us are here for the long haul. We write, create and post in threads, talk to friends, make new ones, help newbies out, search for songs on behalf of people who will never post again, maintain journals and in general try to contribute to the overall wellbeing of the community. I would class those sort of posters (and of course I include myself in them) as Working Posters.
Then you have those who come here rarely, have a look around, say hi and dash off, and may not be seen for some time. While here they may contribute, and may contribute well, and be missed when away, or they may add little to the community. These I would call Casual Posters. And finally, you have the (excuse the disrespect) lowest level of community society, those who come here to spam, cause trouble, troll and make fun of people, get into arguments, stamp their feet, shout at the mods and so on. They are the equivalent of people who hang out on street corners getting high and becoming involved in petty crime. They are the Lazy Posters. OK so far? Any problems with those descriptions? There may of course be other variants but I think that covers most people here. Of course there are the Mods, who are mostly a separate entity, but can fall under the first two categories too, but never in my experience the third. So, let's say a Working Poster pops a one-line post in a thread. So does a Lazy Poster. Both get infracted. But Mister Lazy Poster is probably just upping his or her post count so they can post links, and will then scoot off to some other community. He or she offers nothing to MB. Mr. Working Poster, on the other hand, is known for writing considered arguments, making good or at least funny and interesting threads, is well known as being someone you can talk to and perhaps (or not) maintains a journal. He or she is a valued member and the fact that he or she posted a one-line/smiley reply does not mean in any way that he or she will not later post something far more significant. He or she certainly contributes more to the community than Mister Lazy Poster. So, should both be punished the same for the same infraction, given what we know of the two? Answers on a postcard please... What? Postcard? It's a small piece of stiff paper with a picture on the front and .... you know what? Just email your answers in ok?
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06-03-2015, 01:15 PM | #338 (permalink) | |||||
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Having threads with loosely defined topics in the lounge is a great way to create threads where one could have more relaxed discussions. Of course. Were I a mod under the suggested policy, I'd infract myself if I thought I deserved it. Or I would hope that Jans or another mod would. Who watches the watchmen? The watchmen, of course. Quote:
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This came off the heels of UH leaving because I think Urban in part tired of the anarchic culture here and that he's only the last in a longer line of mods leaving more or less because of this, a line which also includes Mojo, Pedestrian and myself. I could be wrong. Either way, it made me think it was relevant again.
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The only example in recent times I can think of was when Grtwhtgvity was asked to stop insulting people, did not, and was banned for a week. Instant justice, within the current system. Worked fine. How is that not enough?
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If your thread got significantly derailed without rules being broken, then I'd probably move the derailed part of the discussion to another thread and tidy up your John Zorn thread a bit. If you asked me to, I would get right to it. If your thread got derailed with a flame war erupting, then I would infract those who broke rules and probably delete the posts. If your thread got filled with nonsense posts - and we had a rule against those - I would give the offenders warnings or infractions and possibly move the nonsense posts to a thread in the lounge called nonsense depository or something similar. They could continue their nonsense there. We might already have a thread suitable for that purpose. Quote:
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