Changes to Rule Enforcement

Chula Vista · 05-31-2015, 09:10 PM

For what it's worth Plug has a great vibe going on right now. (Shhhh, Plankton's in!)

Agree, enough with the chatter. Make a decision. This is reminding me of a school yard fight where no one ends up throwing a punch.

**Janszoon** · 05-31-2015, 09:17 PM

Can we please stop talking about Plug? It's a separate site owned by completely different people. MB's rules and Tore's proposals with regard to those rules have nothing to do with Plug and therefore discussion of Plug is completely off topic for this thread.

RoxyRollah · 05-31-2015, 09:21 PM

I like your hair^. Are you parting it differently?

Chula Vista · 05-31-2015, 09:24 PM

*backs away from thread*

Jebus Christ, the mood around this place just won't get positive. It's been weeks of BS and bad vibes. WTH?

Change the rules.

Don't change the rules.

Move on.

**Janszoon** · 05-31-2015, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Chula Vista

*backs away from thread*

Jebus Christ, the mood around this place just won't get positive. It's been weeks of BS and bad vibes. WTH?

Change the rules.

Don't change the rules.

Move on.

My post wasn't directed at you if that's what you're thinking. It was directed at the almost entire page of Plug discussion right before us. You just happened to post in between the moment I clicked "reply" and the moment I clicked "submit reply".

Chula Vista · 05-31-2015, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

My post wasn't directed at you if that's what you're thinking.

You scared me man! And I was all chillin.

Seriously though, this thread needs to find a resolve for the sake of MB. Folks sitting on the outside looking in, waiting to see what happens.

Neapolitan · 05-31-2015, 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Janszoon

My post wasn't directed at you if that's what you're thinking. It was directed at the almost entire page of Plug discussion right before us. You just happened to post in between the moment I clicked "reply" and the moment I clicked "submit reply".

My pov it wasn't about plug but about a member that is mentioned here: http://www.musicbanter.com/1596559-post181.html and another member who wanted to get on my case for her own personal reasons.

Guybrush · 06-01-2015, 01:34 AM

Haven't got much time, so will try to be brief.

Fiddler, I pretty much agree with your list of suggestions

Someone brought up Sansa. Her, Dirty, Captain Caveman and others who were disruptive on this site could have been kept in check with a proper system. Possibly. At least perpetual rulebreaking would keep them tempbanned for a lot of the time. I think part of the reason they acted disruptive was that they felt they could get away with it. They may have been tempbanned or moderated somehow before the final permban, giving them some warning, but that would have been punitive action out of the usual to them which would have made it a personal conflict with the mods here. They'd probably just get more uppity from that. As a way to make a member better behaved, it is not very effective. As a way to get them permbanned, it is eventually effective.

As for the mod team should the decision be made to implement this suggestion (or some form of it), I think it should be bolstered with new mods. I wouldn't want to be a moderator on the site the way it is run now because it would only frustrate me, but I would be willing to help out with implementation. Plus, there could be members here already suited for the job who could help and I would also suggest contacting other ex-mods and see if they'd be on board with it.

The Batlord · 06-01-2015, 01:58 AM

Sansa did get temp banned. Several times. The last time was an automatic perma ban.

Guybrush · 06-01-2015, 05:09 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Sansa did get temp banned. Several times. The last time was an automatic perma ban.

What do you mean by automatic?

Anyways, however many times she was tempbanned, a system of infractions might have multiplied that number. Or probably not because she would either get tired of being temp banned and so would clean up her act or she would leave. If she somehow circumvented the system, then good old judgment that you all love would be required.

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By the way, any comments to this?

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Originally Posted by tore

I've seen it happen to other communities, particularly in one I modded before coming here. In that community, mods and members became too friendly. I finally left after another mod had shared his login with a normal member and that member used the mod account to edit another user's post. I took it up with the mod team at the time, but they thought it was funny. In other words, no punishment and no integrity. While this lax attitude was allowed to continue, "normal" members left over time and the ones left (the loud kids) had a cliquey and often unfriendly tone. The community shrank and became less active while at the same time becoming more exclusive. Today, it is basically dead.

Musicbanter is not that far gone at all, but the above is a common state many forums gravitate towards as they age. I believe MB is also gravitating towards that, even if it would be years in the future. It is not a healthy development and you need some systems in place to prevent it. A good system could even reverse that development.

05-31-2015, 09:10 PM	#201 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	For what it's worth Plug has a great vibe going on right now. (Shhhh, Plankton's in!) Agree, enough with the chatter. Make a decision. This is reminding me of a school yard fight where no one ends up throwing a punch. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

05-31-2015, 09:17 PM	#202 (permalink)
Janszoon Mate, Spawn & Die Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Rapping Community Posts: 24,593	Can we please stop talking about Plug? It's a separate site owned by completely different people. MB's rules and Tore's proposals with regard to those rules have nothing to do with Plug and therefore discussion of Plug is completely off topic for this thread. __________________ A Night in the Life of the Invisible Man Time & Place 25 Albums You Should Hear Before the Moon Crashes into the Earth and We All Die last.fm

05-31-2015, 09:24 PM	#204 (permalink)
Chula Vista Toasted Poster Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: SoCal by way of Boston Posts: 11,332	backs away from thread Jebus Christ, the mood around this place just won't get positive. It's been weeks of BS and bad vibes. WTH? Change the rules. Don't change the rules. Move on. __________________ “The fact that we live at the bottom of a deep gravity well, on the surface of a gas covered planet going around a nuclear fireball 90 million miles away and think this to be normal is obviously some indication of how skewed our perspective tends to be.”

06-01-2015, 01:34 AM	#208 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Haven't got much time, so will try to be brief. Fiddler, I pretty much agree with your list of suggestions Someone brought up Sansa. Her, Dirty, Captain Caveman and others who were disruptive on this site could have been kept in check with a proper system. Possibly. At least perpetual rulebreaking would keep them tempbanned for a lot of the time. I think part of the reason they acted disruptive was that they felt they could get away with it. They may have been tempbanned or moderated somehow before the final permban, giving them some warning, but that would have been punitive action out of the usual to them which would have made it a personal conflict with the mods here. They'd probably just get more uppity from that. As a way to make a member better behaved, it is not very effective. As a way to get them permbanned, it is eventually effective. As for the mod team should the decision be made to implement this suggestion (or some form of it), I think it should be bolstered with new mods. I wouldn't want to be a moderator on the site the way it is run now because it would only frustrate me, but I would be willing to help out with implementation. Plus, there could be members here already suited for the job who could help and I would also suggest contacting other ex-mods and see if they'd be on board with it. __________________ Something Completely Different Last edited by Guybrush; 06-01-2015 at 05:56 AM.