Originally Posted by Mojo

These trolls have proceeded to make this site a thoroughly annoying and unpleasant place to visit.

Originally Posted by mord

Actually, I like you a lot, Nea. That's why I treat you like ****. It's the MB way.

Originally Posted by Mojo

Some members here will be banned for insulting someone or pissing off a mod, but take a member who has been here years and if they lose their head and commit the very same offense, they will get a tap on the wrists via a subtle PM and told to stop being such a dick.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I felt that way since the first week I was here. I am not one to run to a mod and complain about every little thing. I didn't want to end up being seen as a complainer to mods. Looking back I can say on a few occasions certain members can make such insulting or asinine comments that I felt I wanted to quit. I just have to break from this site once in a while. There are a times I feel I can't stand this place.

I don't want to accuse anyone who is a mod of not doing their job, but (just a thought) doing nothing about disruptive behavior, trolling and flaming is like condoning such behavior. "Silence gives consent."

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Roxy is unable to perpetrate violence. It always somehow turns into BDSM between two consenting adults.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I just want to say your tits are lovely.

Originally Posted by grindy

Roxy is the William S. Burroughs of our time.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I like Roxy, she's awesome and her taste in music far exceeds yours. Roxy is in the Major League bro, and you're like a sad clown in a two bit rodeo.

Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

The proposed system would regulate the endless pages of pointless off topic back and forth and pointless off topic inside jokes and reaction gifs and ego inflation which are painfully annoying to pretty much everyone except those participating in it.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

How would the proposed system do that?

Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Because receiving infractions consistently for off topic or needless posts discourages the derailment of threads?

Originally Posted by Mojo

Tore, Pedestrian, NSW and I all gave up our modship for at least some overlapping, similar reasons, and those reasons were all directly related to the way in which this site is modded.

Someone said earlier in this thread that there's no point trying to introduce something like what tore is suggesting because even if we do, mods are going to give certain members preferential treatment, when in fact that is what is happening already and it has always been the case.

I have no issue whatsoever with any of the mods here but I do think the site in general is modded like crap. Drama has come up time and time again in this thread and for good reason; drama has, at times, overtaken this site. This goes back years.

Drama has overtaken this site in many ways. We have allowed trolls to roam free for months, if not years, until finally deciding to pull the trigger. These trolls have proceeded to make this site a thoroughly annoying and unpleasant place to visit. We've also had members identified as trouble-makers to the point the site becomes divided in two and brimming with discussion around whether or not said member should still be here or should be banned. This kind of discussion, frankly, should rarely spill over onto the boards, because the rules should be tight and specific enough to avoid any kind of debate. They do however also need to be enforced.

I gave up my spot modding here because the drama didn't stop at the public boards but it spilled over into the mod forum also. While on the public boards we had trolls pissing people off, and cliques forming within, some calling for them to be banned, some jumping to their defence, and so on the mod forum we had a group of moderators also discussing and debating the same people and events. Should they be banned? Have they warranted a ban? Are people being too touchy? Can't they just block them? Should they need to block them? Will there be a backlash if we ban them? Is it worth a backlash? And so on and so forth. I'm sad to say that these discussions started to resemble too closely what could be perceived as a discussion around what the mods could maybe even do to have these troublesome members effectively hang themselves in a way in which nobody would be surprised to see them permanently banned.

I attempted to create a discussion within the mod forum around a system similar to what tore is proposing, where the rules are potentially updated and where the rules are most definitely better and more consistently enforced. Not to crack down harder on the users of the forum, not to start punishing people for minor offences, but to ensure everyone is being treated in the same way. Some trolls are clever and have much more time on their hands than you may think, in which to keep coming back to disrupt and ruffle feathers, and these are the ones that always created the most discussion because one minute you think they are breaking rules and intentionally pissing people off and the next you think they are just having a laugh and are actually here for genuine reasons. With a more consistent system in place these people would be banned much earlier on, the forums would be disrupted far less, this would be a much more enjoyable place to visit, and as long as everyone is very clear on what the rules are and how they are being enforced, there should be zero debate around the actions of the mods.

If you really feel you completely understand the rules here 100% and are without a doubt that they are being enforced correctly, then fair play to you. I'm not in a place to argue. But I would suggest that maybe you just don't see it.

Some members here will be banned for insulting someone or pissing off a mod, but take a member who has been here years and if they lose their head and commit the very same offence, they will get a tap on the wrists via a subtle PM and told to stop being such a dick. Then take into consideration that we have many different mods, all with their own favourites, all with their own users that they dont care for, all modding this place very differently, because that is the system we have in place. Yes we have rules, yes we have an infraction system, but we dont use them. We allow each person we entrust with modding this place to do it their own way and how they see fit, so is it really any surprise that every few weeks or months our boards are filled with drama about the latest poster here that is ruffling peoples feathers? It happens just as much in the mod forum too, believe me. It seems worthy of considering whether that is really still the best way to run this place.

Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien

There is only one bright spot and that is the growing habit of disgruntled men of dynamiting factories and power-stations; I hope that, encouraged now as ‘patriotism’, may remain a habit! But it won’t do any good, if it is not universal.

Originally Posted by Janszoon

Honestly, this makes me feel like giving up. I'd comment on all the things I disagree will about this post but it hardly seems worth it.

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Roxy is unable to perpetrate violence. It always somehow turns into BDSM between two consenting adults.

Originally Posted by Frownland

I just want to say your tits are lovely.

Originally Posted by grindy

Roxy is the William S. Burroughs of our time.

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I like Roxy, she's awesome and her taste in music far exceeds yours. Roxy is in the Major League bro, and you're like a sad clown in a two bit rodeo.