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It's kept posting in the lounge to a bare minimum

The SYG thread used to be just that a way to express how you feel about people on the site. Making it an alternative spam thread isn't exactly spilling your guts but I digress. I don't recall getting defensive about anything except for the mods who take far too much **** on a site that they put alot into. I think I mentioned the pointing of the fingers also which was my main point so glad you at least swallowed that.

Please don't close it. I think this is a good opportunity to air everything out, and a lot of members haven't given their input. It's also been mostly civil albeit some what aggravating.

Welcome, new comers. The tradition of Festivus begins with the airing of grievances. I got a lot of problems with you people! And now you're gonna hear about it!

...I've lost my train of thought.

I will answer your post Urban not ignoring it.


Did you see the post where Urban was caught in a lie with his original post? Urban has apologized and I have accepted it but I feel members have a right to feel "upset" because of that and as Opriel put it, it was quite disrespectful to blindside members as an "excuse" to argue changes have to be made.

Thats not how you reinforce changes. It lacks intergrity

You dont have to agree with all my opinions about Urban but that was clearly....wrong

Oddly nobody besides me and Opriel has express disappointment in that.

But in the SYG thread, we were just speaking our mind and talking candidly with each other, which is also known as "spilling our guts". It's off-topic banter in the part of the website that was set up specifically for off-topic banter, and while it had lately become quite silly, it wasn't nearly as offensive and full of spam as everyone is making it out to be.

I have to ask, what's with the end of your post? The "glad you at least swallowed that" part, I mean. I find it rude as hell. It's not like we were arguing with each other, and you finally convinced me of something. If you read my posts in this thread, I've been trying to talk with Urban about what exactly was going on with the owners, while also trying to keep people from throwing insults at each other. My post, even though it quoted you, wasn't directed solely at you when I talked about the surge of finger-pointing that's been going around. I think I've been pretty civil so far, and if you disagree, then please let me know what exactly I've done wrong.

Carry on, I don't see you doing anything wrong.

Trollheart read what I did and took it the same way I did.

Doesn't mean we lied

Well with regard to the SYG thread read the OP and see what it was designed for. I've been as guilty as anyone throughout my tenure of going off topic and creating what some would deem spam, but the SYG thread I found to be somewhat constructive at one point.

I'm not much for arguing with people in general, some might disagree. I wasn't trying to convince anybody of anything just conveying my point. I didn't really think saying swallowing something was negative, I think we agreed on the finger pointing that was my point. I try to avoid insulting people also, and I don't really think i've done so. If you feel that way then I apologize to ya. I'm not inclined to insult people, I like to keep a semblance of respect for everyone.

First, Jennifer welcome back. I don't look at it as lying. I think he wanted to keep the conversation between him and Yac private which is kind of admirable if you ask me. Anyway people can choose to interpret things however they like and express their opinions. I don't think we are at the point of re-enforcing change, I think he wanted to clear the air and make people aware of the fact that he doesn't want to police the site he wants to moderate it and also contribute. I'm not disappointed in Richard he does a fantastic job by my standards.