If You Want To Know Why The Spill Your Guts Thread Was Closed Read On

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

No one should not have to stroke your eagle.

Keep your hands off my eagle!!

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I'd like to agree, but what you've said is tantamount to slandering Right-Track and Mojo. Nobody ever modded like those guys.

I think you misunderstood, as it was qualified by "I don't know what goes on with them behind the scenes." He was just saying of those who work and are active now, this is what I think". I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

Well I know this is the best I am going to get from you especially when you pretty much showed me on more than one occasion that you don't care about this forum. You foolishly blame others instead of maturely pointing out errors on your part and things you can do as a moderator to improve it.

And what have you done to improve the forum, other than whine and bitch?

I have not disrespected you at all in this thread

Saying someone has failed in their job is not disrespecting them?

Actually, I don't know why I'm bothering: you have completely ignored any of my posts directed at you, while at the same time ranting on about people ignoring you. Is there an echo in here?

Apart from anything else, why is everyone talking to/at Urban like he's the only mod here? There is a team: if you want to blame one, blame them all. Not as if there's anything to be blamed for.

And Orph, with what very very little I know of Yac, I would have taken "food for thought?" as "better do something about it or we may have to take this further". I think we should trust Urban to know Yac better than we do, and not to make suppositions we can't possibly justify.

[Urban Hat€monger ?]

Originally Posted by Soulflower

The funny thing is you wouldn't want anyone to ignore your posts but you feel so entitled that you ignore other peoples post and dismiss them when you realize you are wrong.

I've made every attempt to address everybody who's posted in this thread.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

But I guess its okay to do that with me because I am "Soulflower" after all and nothing I say is never right or matters to this forum. You have a lot of nerve to sit here and act like you get criticized daily when people do nothing but kiss your ass here but as soon as someone criticizes you all of a sudden "You can't do nothing right." You are beyond arrogant

I've gone out of my way to try to accommodate you to the point where even people who like you are telling you that you're being unfair. Yet you keep on making this about me when I said in the very first post this wasn't about pointing fingers and just asking people to stop and pause before they post. That's everybody, including me.

I've tried to do what you wanted by saying where I thought I'd gone wrong and the reasons why I act the way I do, I also offered to keep an open dialogue with you in future if you had any problems, you didn't like it.
I'm not going to keep on with this till you do, just accept I've taken on board your criticisms and we still have differing opinions. Do you think you can do that?

Originally Posted by Soulflower

I hope other independent thinking posters like Oriphiel will continue to give you honest constructive criticism because that is honestly what you really need (although you don't want to hear it and you misinterpret it as attacking when I have been objective this entire time).

Why only him? Just because he agreed with you.
I gave you my reasons, I accept you didn't like them. Can we move on now?
I told you I'll apologise if you felt they were misleading but I won't apologise for my reasoning for posting what I did. That's 3 times I've said that now.

And why not everybody who's posted in here, I'm taking on board their comments too. I've never really seen eye to eye with GB and he's never been one to kiss anybodies ass least of all mine and I think he's talking a lot of sense.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

This clique and group thinking mentality of this board is not helping you with that because they all tell you what you want to hear

I only speak with 2 people from the forum away from it, one of them is in hospital, the other is a friend of yours.
If I do show any bias it's to people like Trollheart or Unknown Soldier or Frownland or Plankton or Lisnaholic or the many others who come here, cause no trouble, put a lot of work into the place and are patient with people and who have to be really irritated about something before they ask for action to be taken. Those are the people I show favouritism to and I will continue to.
There are no cliques with me inside them.
and maybe, just maybe the people who are agreeing with me. Maybe they're doing that because they actually do think I have a good point. Did that ever occur to you?

Originally Posted by Soulflower

Not once have I disrespected you but you now want to act immature and ignore my posts because you don't want your flaws to be put on display for all to see, fine.

Not once have I said or even implied you have disrespected me. There's a difference between not answering your posts and not answering your posts with what you think I should say.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

But dont sit and argue that you are interested in hearing criticism and other peoples perspectives when clearly you are only interested in people giving you appraisals and agreeing with you. When a little challenge comes your way you back out because you don't want to put in effort in accepting critique because you are to close minded to hear anything besides "Urban is the best or Urban does his job"

How many times now have I said now I take your criticisms of my first post on board?
Believe it or not you are just one person with one opinion as am I. I am just as likely to take your opinion seriously as I would someone who goes 'Yay Urban you're so right' because if I was wrong people would be quick to tell me on here and they have done in the past. If 20 people tell me one thing and 2 tell me the opposite obviously I have to go with the 20.
I don't know what you think this thread is about, but it's about cleaning up the lounge, not regurgitating all your frustrations out on me. And it seems to me the majority think something needs to be done, which is what I guessed based on what people were saying to me before I started all this.

Originally Posted by Soulflower

You need to be challenged in order to grow as a moderator. It doesn't matter how long you have been here and quite frankly doesn't justify your lack of leadership here. If anything, more should be expected of you since you have been here longer.

But anyway, you have clearly shown your true colors as a moderator and you have shown once again with your actions all I need to know.

And if the rest of the forum thinks I'm unfit to moderate I'll go. I've done it before when I felt I was burned out and not adding anything to the place and was gone almost 2 years. I don't need to be a moderator here. I'd much rather be writing a journal entry right now than doing all this back and forth but I'm not out of respect for you.

[Chula Vista]

The past few days around here have been the absolute weirdest in the ~5 or so months that I've been here. How long before it gets back to the fun loving place (sans all of the bitching) it use to be?

[FRED HALE SR.]

I think people are missing the point of this thread. It was merely done to point out some shortcomings of the lounge, and our ability as members of the site to take action and ensure that we moderate ourselves. This isn't about pointing fingers and degrading the moderators. Urban has been pretty tireless in his efforts to maintain a level of respect in the forums. The SYG thread was solid gold until people used it as a dumping point for retard humor. I want this minute back from my life.

[Black Francis]

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

I think people are missing the point of this thread. It was merely done to point out some shortcomings of the lounge, and our ability as members of the site to take action and ensure that we moderate ourselves. This isn't about pointing fingers and degrading the moderators Urban has been pretty tireless in his efforts to maintain a level of respect in the forums. The SYG thread was solid gold until people used it as a dumping point for retard humor. I want this minute back from my life.

Add to that "And others members"

And Yes, the pointing of the fingers needs to stop.

Without blaming anyone in particular, i think one of the problems is sometimes we indulge the off topic banter a little too much and can sometimes flood threads with it. it happened on the SYG thread and it's kinda happening now on this one.

[Trollheart]

My suggestion would be to close this thread now. It's served its purpose, has been explained and now is just becoming a battleground for people who refuse to accept it is not all about them, or a place to start another war. It's just going to go on forever until it's closed and everyone can move on. There's no real need for it to be left open anyway, is there?

[Chula Vista]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

There's no real need for it to be left open anyway, is there?

Well, have to admit it was a bit entertaining catching up with everything over morning coffee this AM.

(ya, nuke it)

[Oriphiel]

Originally Posted by FRED HALE SR.

The SYG thread was solid gold until people used it as a dumping point for retard humor. I want this minute back from my life.

Oh, please. I've looked at older posts in the SYG thread, out of curiosity, and it's the same now as it ever was. I'm getting tired of all of these people coming out of the woodwork to bash on it, whining about how MB is going to hell, when in fact they used to post in it as often as anyone else.

Seriously, what is this? Why is everyone getting so defensive, pointing fingers at each other, as if everyone is desperate to vilify someone so that they themselves look good in comparison? We're all good people, and we all get a little carried away every now and then. I feel like this crack-down on the Lounge has actually made things worse, because now everyone is trying to find out who the "culprit" is, who is responsible for spamming to the point where the mods feel the need to take action. In reality, we're all responsible. Maybe it's time to just stop pointing fingers and start talking with each other, instead of at each other.

[DwnWthVwls]

Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

The moderators here are not the problem with the community. People are acting like children, arguing that they should be allowed to use all sorts of epithets and slurs and then arguing that they shouldn't be criticised for it. There are plenty of people on these forums who seemingly exist to stir the pot and start ****. There are members who repeatedly engage in the same self destructive behaviour, vomit it all over the forum, apologise and then just do it again. Members who repeatedly espouse bigoted, racist, sexist opinions and coast along on a tide of "Well he's personable" as if that makes any difference. Then there's the crowd that coasts along on a flying ****ing carpet of social justice while totally abandoning any pretense to not being an ******* in the process.

You're gonna have to name names and offenses because I just don't see it that way. Aside from the occasional racey joke no one is any of those things.

I understand how in a general sense the forum can lack restraint when moderating those things but I don't think anyone has crossed the line repeatedly enough to be singled out or banned. I was not a member here during all the drama with vilified members of the past but from what I've heard about them no one currently deserves to join their list.

[Key]

Only person I see still pointing fingers is Soulflower and that's only because she's unable to listen. Otherwise this thread isn't even that bad.

Yes I know I'm pointing a finger.