Keep your hands off my eagle!!
I think you misunderstood, as it was qualified by "I don't know what goes on with them behind the scenes." He was just saying of those who work and are active now, this is what I think". I could be wrong, but that's how I read it.
And what have you done to improve the forum, other than whine and bitch?
Saying someone has failed in their job is not disrespecting them?

Actually, I don't know why I'm bothering: you have completely ignored any of my posts directed at you, while at the same time ranting on about people ignoring you. :rolleyes: Is there an echo in here?

Apart from anything else, why is everyone talking to/at Urban like he's the only mod here? There is a team: if you want to blame one, blame them all. Not as if there's anything to be blamed for.

And Orph, with what very very little I know of Yac, I would have taken "food for thought?" as "better do something about it or we may have to take this further". I think we should trust Urban to know Yac better than we do, and not to make suppositions we can't possibly justify.

I've made every attempt to address everybody who's posted in this thread.

I've gone out of my way to try to accommodate you to the point where even people who like you are telling you that you're being unfair. Yet you keep on making this about me when I said in the very first post this wasn't about pointing fingers and just asking people to stop and pause before they post. That's everybody, including me.

I've tried to do what you wanted by saying where I thought I'd gone wrong and the reasons why I act the way I do, I also offered to keep an open dialogue with you in future if you had any problems, you didn't like it.
I'm not going to keep on with this till you do, just accept I've taken on board your criticisms and we still have differing opinions. Do you think you can do that?

Why only him? Just because he agreed with you.
I gave you my reasons, I accept you didn't like them. Can we move on now?
I told you I'll apologise if you felt they were misleading but I won't apologise for my reasoning for posting what I did. That's 3 times I've said that now.

And why not everybody who's posted in here, I'm taking on board their comments too. I've never really seen eye to eye with GB and he's never been one to kiss anybodies ass least of all mine and I think he's talking a lot of sense.

I only speak with 2 people from the forum away from it, one of them is in hospital, the other is a friend of yours.
If I do show any bias it's to people like Trollheart or Unknown Soldier or Frownland or Plankton or Lisnaholic or the many others who come here, cause no trouble, put a lot of work into the place and are patient with people and who have to be really irritated about something before they ask for action to be taken. Those are the people I show favouritism to and I will continue to.
There are no cliques with me inside them.
and maybe, just maybe the people who are agreeing with me. Maybe they're doing that because they actually do think I have a good point. Did that ever occur to you?

Not once have I said or even implied you have disrespected me. There's a difference between not answering your posts and not answering your posts with what you think I should say.

How many times now have I said now I take your criticisms of my first post on board?
Believe it or not you are just one person with one opinion as am I. I am just as likely to take your opinion seriously as I would someone who goes 'Yay Urban you're so right' because if I was wrong people would be quick to tell me on here and they have done in the past. If 20 people tell me one thing and 2 tell me the opposite obviously I have to go with the 20.
I don't know what you think this thread is about, but it's about cleaning up the lounge, not regurgitating all your frustrations out on me. And it seems to me the majority think something needs to be done, which is what I guessed based on what people were saying to me before I started all this.


And if the rest of the forum thinks I'm unfit to moderate I'll go. I've done it before when I felt I was burned out and not adding anything to the place and was gone almost 2 years. I don't need to be a moderator here. I'd much rather be writing a journal entry right now than doing all this back and forth but I'm not out of respect for you.

The past few days around here have been the absolute weirdest in the ~5 or so months that I've been here. How long before it gets back to the fun loving place (sans all of the bitching) it use to be?

http://memecrunch.com/meme/4ZVVQ/kum....jpg?w=535&c=1

I think people are missing the point of this thread. It was merely done to point out some shortcomings of the lounge, and our ability as members of the site to take action and ensure that we moderate ourselves. This isn't about pointing fingers and degrading the moderators. Urban has been pretty tireless in his efforts to maintain a level of respect in the forums. The SYG thread was solid gold until people used it as a dumping point for retard humor. I want this minute back from my life.

Add to that "And others members"

And Yes, the pointing of the fingers needs to stop.

Without blaming anyone in particular, i think one of the problems is sometimes we indulge the off topic banter a little too much and can sometimes flood threads with it. it happened on the SYG thread and it's kinda happening now on this one.

My suggestion would be to close this thread now. It's served its purpose, has been explained and now is just becoming a battleground for people who refuse to accept it is not all about them, or a place to start another war. It's just going to go on forever until it's closed and everyone can move on. There's no real need for it to be left open anyway, is there?

Well, have to admit it was a bit entertaining catching up with everything over morning coffee this AM.

(ya, nuke it)

Oh, please. I've looked at older posts in the SYG thread, out of curiosity, and it's the same now as it ever was. I'm getting tired of all of these people coming out of the woodwork to bash on it, whining about how MB is going to hell, when in fact they used to post in it as often as anyone else.

Seriously, what is this? Why is everyone getting so defensive, pointing fingers at each other, as if everyone is desperate to vilify someone so that they themselves look good in comparison? We're all good people, and we all get a little carried away every now and then. I feel like this crack-down on the Lounge has actually made things worse, because now everyone is trying to find out who the "culprit" is, who is responsible for spamming to the point where the mods feel the need to take action. In reality, we're all responsible. Maybe it's time to just stop pointing fingers and start talking with each other, instead of at each other.

You're gonna have to name names and offenses because I just don't see it that way. Aside from the occasional racey joke no one is any of those things.

I understand how in a general sense the forum can lack restraint when moderating those things but I don't think anyone has crossed the line repeatedly enough to be singled out or banned. I was not a member here during all the drama with vilified members of the past but from what I've heard about them no one currently deserves to join their list.

Only person I see still pointing fingers is Soulflower and that's only because she's unable to listen. Otherwise this thread isn't even that bad.

Yes I know I'm pointing a finger.