Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2230374)

Yeah that's right we all hate Frown. :rolleyes:

Hi Jess!
:wavey:
:love:

In fact, the issue was that our person who lives in a land where they don't do much smiling at all got involved in a discussion with jwb, kept needling him and then decided to PERMA-ban him. Not so bad maybe if he had only temp banned him, but no, permaban.

Frown was seen, rightly, to have abused his power as a mod for his own personal gain, and this was what set a lot of us after him, despite what Batty would have you believe.

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2230379)

You mean they were disagreeing with one another in MB fashion as has happened countless times without Frown banning people? If he got baited into saying something ban worthy then what was it? If it was just Frown banning him for disagreeing with him then is that a pattern Frown is known for? None of you have made an explicit accusation of what Frown did other than vaguely pointing at FROWN BAD over a heated debate, which happen all the time on this forum without banning.

Is it possible that you're just clueless about the transphobic subtext of the argument and are leaping to an erroneous conclusion based on past prejudice?

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2230395)

No we're not clueless. The fact is that, if a mod is involved in a discussion, and something is said that they believe ban-worthy, then they should dissociate themselves from the debate, perhaps drop a warning, not permaban the person they were arguing with. And anyway, you know Frown had a big arrogant smile on his face when he hit the button: he was just waiting for the chance. That's what he's llke; abuse of power. It was very personal with him, and that's wrong. Mods are supposed to be impartial.

Jess, you'll get nothing unbiased out of Batty (nor, probably me) as we both have our minds made up. I'd suggest talking to other mods - WWWP seems to know all about it - and see what their position is on it. TBF, neither Batty nor I are mods (perish the thought!) and neither of us have access to the mod cave, so we don't really know how it went down. Frown may have told Bat but that would of course be weighting the story on his side, so to get the full story I imagine speaking to the others. It just seemed like a dick move to me, but then, what do I know?

Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2230404)

If he were only deleting spam and maintaining upkeep of the forum there would be no issue - it’s the fact that he routinely disregards the rules himself but flexes his ban powers when it suits him. This has been going on for years.

He admitted he only perma-banned jwb because he could, and none of the other mods stood up against it. The “argument” in question has been completely overblown, and only Batty thinks the ban was just but he can’t recognize the error of his own ways so is just cheerleading Frown because Charles feels like he “won” something.

Batlord himself created a thread years ago about Frownland being a garbage mod that abused his power.

You’re right that the forum is slow and we don’t need as many mods - so demodding him should be no issue.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2230407)

Eat me.

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 2230411)

You should change your username to discount jwb.

Originally Posted by Trollheart (Post 2230420)

Hey Jess! Aren't you glad you came back? :rolleyes:

https://i.makeagif.com/media/4-23-2017/xMcagb.gif

:laughing:

Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2230442)

My post was edited by a moderator. Wonder which one.

Originally Posted by Lisnaholic (Post 2230483)

making the individual choice to perma-ban a member who you are arguing with at a co-equal, member-to-member, level is a super-bad move. Is that what happened?

Originally Posted by WWWP (Post 2230431)

I think it’s telling that while I made up a story Otto & George over here are only taking shots at me and not defending Frown’s tenure as mod.

It’s like I’m right or something

Originally Posted by The Batlord (Post 2230473)

He was sealioning a discussion about trans people in prisons to derail it in a deniable way and these members don't see it. He's done this before in a discussion on a potential trans genocide by wildly misconstruing any point I made as either vague or crazy making for a neverending circular argument that goes nowhere.