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Guybrush · 03-09-2023, 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland

To protect and maintain the well-being of the forum. I reserve the right to take any actions I deem appropriate to ensure these forums are not disrupted or abused in any way

Okay. Well, if it should turn out you're not doing a good job and are perhaps even making a mess of it, maybe you could protect and maintain the wellbeing of the forum by stepping down.

Just something you might wanna consider.

The Batlord · 03-09-2023, 08:10 PM

The only people who would complain about banning jwb are pedophiles.

**Frownland** · 03-09-2023, 08:11 PM

I've considered it (stepping down, not pedophelia) but more for inactivity than being a meanie to toxic members when I ban them. Maybe later.

Key · 03-09-2023, 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SGR

Watch again, and this time, pay close attention...

I did it SGR I did it!

Guybrush · 03-10-2023, 01:15 AM

Not specifically about Frowns, but if any mod doesn't give a **** about the rules or policy they're supposed to follow, they're constantly going to undermine each other's work. Moderation is gonna get chaotic, like it was here. A moderator who believes the rules are valid would have to sit and watch another moderator break those rules without a second thought because they have their own idea. You're gonna get in eachothers way and undermine eachother's work. Hence, if a mod is allowed to have their own policy that breaks with written or other policies, you basically can't have a policy.

It'sa little tiresome watching moderation here flailing, so even though I doubt anyone will give it a second glance or think of it as anything much more than douche-baggery, I'm gonna make a suggestion that I do think would be constructive if taken seriously.

The mod team could and should do the following:

Figure out what your goals for moderation is
Based on that, create something like a common policy and review the rules to match that
Set up a basic moderation guideline for how to deal with certain issues (like you should be using the infractions system as it creates a moderation log for each user)
Set up a system of threads or an IM group or a yearly meeting so that you can review the work you do and improve on it

Some upsides to this:

Moderating alone, you have to take responsibility for every mistake you make. Act as a team following a procedure, some of that weight is taken off because the fault may lie with the procedure. Your back is a little freer.
People will be have a much better idea of what to expect and how to behave in order to avoid some kind of sanction. That could improve behaviour across the boards.
It will be easier to turn to eachother for help because you're following the same procedure and pursuing the same set of goals
It could actually turn the mod team into a team instead of a bunch of rogue agents with mod powers

I know this probably comes off as real preachy stuff coming from an annoying know-it-all, but I hope any mod can see some sense in this. It doesn't mean you have to become draconic - there's nothing in here that says things need to be stricter - but it's a low hanging fruit that could drastically improve how this site is managed.

**Frownland** · 03-10-2023, 01:57 AM

Great suggestions. I'll advocate for some of the elements we don't already have in place for sure.

Trollheart · 03-10-2023, 06:25 AM

WWWP · 03-10-2023, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Guybrush

Not specifically about Frowns, but if any mod doesn't give a **** about the rules or policy they're supposed to follow, they're constantly going to undermine each other's work. Moderation is gonna get chaotic, like it was here. A moderator who believes the rules are valid would have to sit and watch another moderator break those rules without a second thought because they have their own idea. You're gonna get in eachothers way and undermine eachother's work. Hence, if a mod is allowed to have their own policy that breaks with written or other policies, you basically can't have a policy.

It'sa little tiresome watching moderation here flailing, so even though I doubt anyone will give it a second glance or think of it as anything much more than douche-baggery, I'm gonna make a suggestion that I do think would be constructive if taken seriously.

The mod team could and should do the following:

Figure out what your goals for moderation is
Based on that, create something like a common policy and review the rules to match that
Set up a basic moderation guideline for how to deal with certain issues (like you should be using the infractions system as it creates a moderation log for each user)
Set up a system of threads or an IM group or a yearly meeting so that you can review the work you do and improve on it

Some upsides to this:

Moderating alone, you have to take responsibility for every mistake you make. Act as a team following a procedure, some of that weight is taken off because the fault may lie with the procedure. Your back is a little freer.
People will be have a much better idea of what to expect and how to behave in order to avoid some kind of sanction. That could improve behaviour across the boards.
It will be easier to turn to eachother for help because you're following the same procedure and pursuing the same set of goals
It could actually turn the mod team into a team instead of a bunch of rogue agents with mod powers

I know this probably comes off as real preachy stuff coming from an annoying know-it-all, but I hope any mod can see some sense in this. It doesn't mean you have to become draconic - there's nothing in here that says things need to be stricter - but it's a low hanging fruit that could drastically improve how this site is managed.

The problem is that no one currently modded has the time or drive to take on such an initiative. It’s a thankless job for sure, I felt it when I was a mod, but I have to wonder why cling on to mod status if you can’t invest your attention and care to such matters? There’s no shame in stepping down, there are active users that could fulfill the role and bring new energy to a tired team - thinking of SGR, Queen Boo, Synthgirl specifically - because nothing can flourish in an apathetic environment.

#DEMODFROWNLAND
#TERMLIMITSFORMODERATORS

**Marie Monday** · 03-10-2023, 09:04 AM

Eh speaking for myself only it's not clinging to mod status, I don't like the job. It's more that finding new mods often isn't easy and I figure a busy apathetic mod is still better than none. If we can make it feasible I actually think term limits is not a bad idea
#releaseusfromthisburden

Synthgirl · 03-10-2023, 09:17 AM

I appreciate you suggesting me! I would be interested but I'm not sure I would be able to do a great job right now. I have the site open a lot while I'm working but it's not something I feel I can focus on responsibly. I already split my time between my job, housework, and now I have private tutoring. Plus I'm gonna be moving and having a lot of life changes in general over the next few months.

I'll think about it in the summer once things calm down, haha.

03-09-2023, 08:11 PM	#7623 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	I've considered it (stepping down, not pedophelia) but more for inactivity than being a meanie to toxic members when I ban them. Maybe later. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

03-10-2023, 01:15 AM	#7625 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Not specifically about Frowns, but if any mod doesn't give a **** about the rules or policy they're supposed to follow, they're constantly going to undermine each other's work. Moderation is gonna get chaotic, like it was here. A moderator who believes the rules are valid would have to sit and watch another moderator break those rules without a second thought because they have their own idea. You're gonna get in eachothers way and undermine eachother's work. Hence, if a mod is allowed to have their own policy that breaks with written or other policies, you basically can't have a policy. It'sa little tiresome watching moderation here flailing, so even though I doubt anyone will give it a second glance or think of it as anything much more than douche-baggery, I'm gonna make a suggestion that I do think would be constructive if taken seriously. The mod team could and should do the following: Figure out what your goals for moderation is Based on that, create something like a common policy and review the rules to match that Set up a basic moderation guideline for how to deal with certain issues (like you should be using the infractions system as it creates a moderation log for each user) Set up a system of threads or an IM group or a yearly meeting so that you can review the work you do and improve on it Some upsides to this: Moderating alone, you have to take responsibility for every mistake you make. Act as a team following a procedure, some of that weight is taken off because the fault may lie with the procedure. Your back is a little freer. People will be have a much better idea of what to expect and how to behave in order to avoid some kind of sanction. That could improve behaviour across the boards. It will be easier to turn to eachother for help because you're following the same procedure and pursuing the same set of goals It could actually turn the mod team into a team instead of a bunch of rogue agents with mod powers I know this probably comes off as real preachy stuff coming from an annoying know-it-all, but I hope any mod can see some sense in this. It doesn't mean you have to become draconic - there's nothing in here that says things need to be stricter - but it's a low hanging fruit that could drastically improve how this site is managed. __________________ Something Completely Different

03-10-2023, 01:57 AM	#7626 (permalink)
Frownland SOPHIE FOREVER Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: East of the Southern North American West Posts: 35,541	Great suggestions. I'll advocate for some of the elements we don't already have in place for sure. __________________ Studies show that when a given norm is changed in the face of the unchanging, the remaining contradictions will parallel the truth. d e a f b o x

03-10-2023, 06:25 AM	#7627 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,994	__________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

03-10-2023, 09:17 AM	#7630 (permalink)
Synthgirl Music Addict Join Date: Jan 2023 Location: Cheeseland USA Posts: 155	I appreciate you suggesting me! I would be interested but I'm not sure I would be able to do a great job right now. I have the site open a lot while I'm working but it's not something I feel I can focus on responsibly. I already split my time between my job, housework, and now I have private tutoring. Plus I'm gonna be moving and having a lot of life changes in general over the next few months. I'll think about it in the summer once things calm down, haha.