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[Lucem Ferre]

And at this point if the US weren't such a capitalist worshipping dystopia and we were to start trying to transition into socialism/communism we could probably succeed or at the very least do it better than the soviets.

It's not like we have another America to try and destroy us at every turn. China wants communism and Russia doesn't seem to care.

We could honestly boost our slowly failing empire by forcing private industry to actually pay workers and treat them like human beings.

[SGR]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

It's not like we have another America to try and destroy us at every turn. China wants communism and Russia doesn't seem to care.

You think if America adopted more socialist policies, then China would suddenly become our friend? And we'd no longer be fighting proxy wars with Russia?

[jwb]

Originally Posted by elphenor

the way China does capitalism is a form of the way the US did it until we got richer than Britain

I still don't know what you mean by this. When was the US running the kind of state capitalist economy China has? The closest example I can think of is during ww2 for the war effort

We didn't get richer than britain through economic policy. We inherited a global empire after winning the war and all the other major European powers except the soviets lost theirs.

[jwb]

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Not really, I said adopt this one thing China is doing. Which is kind of an authoritarian way of doing capitalism but not authoritarian across the board.

Right now? No. Because they started over. But they have more of an advantage than the Soviets did when they first started. Are you arguing that the USSR industrialized better than modern China?

Originally Posted by Lucem Ferre

Not really, I said adopt this one thing China is doing. Which is kind of an authoritarian way of doing capitalism but not authoritarian across the board.

Right now? No. Because they started over. But they have more of an advantage than the Soviets did when they first started. Are you arguing that the USSR industrialized better than modern China?

Not exactly, but I'm saying the USSR probably industrialized as quickly as it would be possible to do so. If they opened themselves up to the global economy the way China did there would be a number of issues with that.

1) it goes directly against the state ideology which at the time was attempting to produce a system that rivaled western capitalism, not imitated it.
2) industrialization was already happening and if they went the normal capitalist route it would've been a much more gradual process.

Then you get to the part about being less authoritarian... As in having actual elections and ****? The bolsheviks would've been voted right out of power. So the combination of embracing the market while being less authoritarian basically leads to just another western capitalist country. Which again.... You really do confident that after the "stage of capitalism" happens there will be another window for revolution? They thought this about western europe in 1848 and here we are still waiting.....

[Lucem Ferre]

Originally Posted by SoundgardenRocks

You think if America adopted more socialist policies, then China would suddenly become our friend? And we'd no longer be fighting proxy wars with Russia?

No. Just that neither would try to topple us just for being communist. We obviously have to do more to repair our relationship with both regardless.

Originally Posted by jwb

Not exactly, but I'm saying the USSR probably industrialized as quickly as it would be possible to do so. If they opened themselves up to the global economy the way China did there would be a number of issues with that.

1) it goes directly against the state ideology which at the time was attempting to produce a system that rivaled western capitalism, not imitated it.
2) industrialization was already happening and if they went the normal capitalist route it would've been a much more gradual process.

Then you get to the part about being less authoritarian... As in having actual elections and ****? The bolsheviks would've been voted right out of power. So the combination of embracing the market while being less authoritarian basically leads to just another western capitalist country. Which again.... You really do confident that after the "stage of capitalism" happens there will be another window for revolution? They thought this about western europe in 1848 and here we are still waiting.....

I disagree. Simply because state controlled capitalism has been proven to build up industry at extremely high rates and it's obviously a much better alternative to what they did even if it took longer. TBF it's hard to know if you could build industry in a socialist country because America will do everything in it's power to topple socialist societies.

I don't know how I can be any more clear by what I meant with less authoritarian. Like not banning art and oppressing people's rights to free speech.

The main difference would be they'd be doing capitalism with the goal of communism in mind. Like China who has already started to transition.

Isn't social democracy huge in western Europe anyways?

[WWWP]

Omfg will you all shut the **** up

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by WWWP

Omfg will you all shut the **** up

^^^

This trend of diverting any thread into yet another boring discussion on politics

[The Batlord]

But isn't communism the most missed poster of all?

[jwb]

Yeah cause there's so much more interesting **** going on...

Let's stick to the thread topic of the ever growing list of people who came to their senses and abandoned this wasteland

[The Batlord]

When was the last time anyone heard from Trotsky69? Does anyone talk to him on Facebook?