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[Cuthbert]

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

[Ol’ Qwerty Bastard]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

Yup

Never said stop and frisk is a good thing. I'm just explaining to you why this police brutality issue isn't the way the media chooses to present it.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Commit more crime, get stopped more. Seems fair enough to me.

Seems fair to stop random people based off of the race that commits more crime?

Yeah, I bet you'd like that a lot if the shoe was on the other foot.

Also maybe think about the fact that you are stopping that particular race and inflating the number of arrests.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

Seems fair to stop random people based off of the race that commits more crime?

Yeah, I bet you'd like that a lot if the shoe was on the other foot.

Also maybe think about the fact that you are stopping that particular race and inflating the number of arrests.

Yes it's entirely fair. Doesn't just apply to race either.

Your problem should be with the people committing crimes which results in innocents constantly being stopped.

Shoe on the other foot thing is bollocks, I've been stopped plenty of times because of how I looked. If you're not doing anything wrong then just answer the questions and be on your way. No problem.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Your problem should be with the people committing crimes which results in innocents constantly being stopped.

I'm so tired of this bull****. It's along the same lines as whenever people bring up police brutality against the black community then people like you pivot and are like but what about black on black crime and Chicago.

White on white crime is just a prevalent as black on black crime.

The black on black crime in Chiraq is boiled down to living in ghettos and project housing along with the school to prison pipeline and the endless cycle that is hard to get out of. It isn't a simple solution and I don't have the answers but just because that happens doesn't mean it's perfectly fine and fair to harass me just because I happen to be black. GTFO.

[Trollheart]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm not white knighting for her. I'm giving a voice to the voiceless that would have just been ignored and written off as crazy even if she was around.

The last thing SF was was voiceless. She was forever spouting on about this and that, and as soon as anyone disagreed with her or poked a hole in her logic, she played the race card. That's not being voiceless, that's being a twat.

You guys don't notice a pattern you have here. Anytime there is someone with opinions you don't agree with you are quick to call the person bat**** crazy and just write them off without thinking to yourself about the motivations behind their actions. I guess it's just empathy issues but guess that's just the nature of the beast of being online. No one really gives a fuck.

Explain how this works. If it did, then there would be no debate here, no forum at all. If I start going on about how I love this band or that band, or can't stand American Football or some political thing, people do NOT write me off as crazy (even though I am) - they have come to understand that I can debate without (often) losing it and they know that though I may take offence at the odd comment I won't go crying to the mods or boil over as SF almost always did. She's the exception, not the rule. Unless you can bring up others?

Originally Posted by djchameleon

Waaaah she called you racist. If you aren't racist then why are you so bothered by it?

Well there's a silly question! If you're not something bad, and someone says you are, you shouldn't be bothered by it? If someone calls me a child rapist or says I love Frownland's music, I shouldn't get outraged? So what you're saying is that anyone can say anything and nobody should get upset if it's a lie or at least inaccurate? Are we all robots???

Originally Posted by Neapolitan

I haven't said it out loud to anyone yet but yeah I got the feeling she was a little bit crazy... nah, on second thought full-blown crazy, nah really just a little bit crazy. I tried to be friendly with her, and it worked for a while. However watching her go after one member after another I knew in the back of my mind it was time before one day she would give me a hard time like she gave others. It like making a friend with a ticking time-bomb that if you don't handle her with kid gloves she'll blow up in your face.



You said it. That's the whole problem in a nut shell. But it's not MB members, doing that, it was her. She was the one writing people off. You would give her an explanation to her why it wasn't as bad as what she thought the problem was and she would not accept it, and continue on her complaining and labeling.

This is it exactly. There was no logic with SF. You explain something to her, or ask her to clarify something, and all you would get back was that you were a racist and a bully. She didn't feel she had to qualify what she said. That's why people (and good, usually unflappable people, and I'm not talking about me) finally had enough of her and got involved in disputes, which went nowhere because you might as well be arguing with a brick wall.

Originally Posted by The Batlord

Let's just hope it doesn't turn out all those people were Jews.

Hey it could be worse. You could be Irish!

Originally Posted by Kedvesem

Well, I am here because I forum-stalk my Sir. But, yes, this place can be harsh. I'd be more inclined to think she left because she's a girl than because she's a _____ girl, whatever you might want to put in that blank.

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. We've had plenty of strong women here and they've been able to hold their own no problem. Most of them give us a run for our money. There's no way women are treated any differently here, nor I think do they expect to be. They give as good as they get and everyone gets on fine mostly. This is not a forum unfriendly to females, just loons.

And while we're on that subject, let's not forget all the male loopers who have been through here, and I doubt any of them were black!

Good point.

No, it isn't, as I just pointed out. It's an assumption based on possibly naivete or being relatively fresh to the forum, but it is not the case, not at all.
Women are welcome here. As long as they get their tits out.

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Originally Posted by Mordor

Typical self-hating American Jew.

Oh! So now I can't hate a group of people cause I am one? Typical resident of Mordor. Tolerant of only your views.

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Trollheart

The last thing SF was was voiceless. She was forever spouting on about this and that, and as soon as anyone disagreed with her or poked a hole in her logic, she played the race card. That's not being voiceless, that's being a twat.

I'm talking about her currently being voiceless because she is banned and can't respond.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Explain how this works. If it did, then there would be no debate here, no forum at all. If I start going on about how I love this band or that band, or can't stand American Football or some political thing, people do NOT write me off as crazy (even though I am) - they have come to understand that I can debate without (often) losing it and they know that though I may take offence at the odd comment I won't go crying to the mods or boil over as SF almost always did. She's the exception, not the rule. Unless you can bring up others?

She isn't the exception. Roxy is technically the other one this same thing applied to. Also, it does happen all the time as far as someone disagreeing with another's opinion. Well more so in the current events section. It happens on both sides. I've even done it myself but I don't completely write the person off and try to keep the discussion going back and forth. When you get heated talking politics it happens. I've seen it with Chula Vs Frownland, well Chula vs. Everyone when they decide to gang up on him for his blind loyalty to Hillary.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Well there's a silly question! If you're not something bad, and someone says you are, you shouldn't be bothered by it? If someone calls me a child rapist or says I love Frownland's music, I shouldn't get outraged? So what you're saying is that anyone can say anything and nobody should get upset if it's a lie or at least inaccurate? Are we all robots???

If you know you aren't something that someone says you are. Being upset isn't going to change the persons thoughts about you even if it's a lie. I've been on the opposite side of this many times. You have to just accept that, that's what the other person thinks of you and decides to go running off at the mouth and telling others about you. You don't have to be a robot but it's a good life lesson to learn to control your reaction to what others say because you know the truth and you can't change their perception of you.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

This is it exactly. There was no logic with SF. You explain something to her, or ask her to clarify something, and all you would get back was that you were a racist and a bully. She didn't feel she had to qualify what she said. That's why people (and good, usually unflappable people, and I'm not talking about me) finally had enough of her and got involved in disputes, which went nowhere because you might as well be arguing with a brick wall.

If she wasn't clarifying or explaining then why did you keep responding to her? Why go on for pages back and forth with her then? She would bring up valid points besides just those things you said. I know because I have gotten into my share of arguments with her as well. She is just opinionated like I am. I have quoted numerous posts of hers and gone back and forth. I was able to keep it civil without going off the handle and insulting her. At least Neo was nice enough to keep his thoughts about her civil but since she isn't around to defend herself it's open season and everyone and their mother thinks it's okay to keep throwing dirt on her name.

Originally Posted by Trollheart

Sorry but that's just ridiculous. We've had plenty of strong women here and they've been able to hold their own no problem. Most of them give us a run for our money. There's no way women are treated any differently here, nor I think do they expect to be. They give as good as they get and everyone gets on fine mostly. This is not a forum unfriendly to females, just loons.

Oh is that why we can count the number of female posters that are currently active/semi active on one hand? Because we are so forum friendly to females.

Keep dreaming man.

[Cuthbert]

Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm so tired of this bull****. It's along the same lines as whenever people bring up police brutality against the black community then people like you pivot and are like but what about black on black crime and Chicago.

White on white crime is just a prevalent as black on black crime.

No relevance whatsoever.

The black on black crime in Chiraq is boiled down to living in ghettos and project housing along with the school to prison pipeline and the endless cycle that is hard to get out of. It isn't a simple solution and I don't have the answers but just because that happens doesn't mean it's perfectly fine and fair to harass me just because I happen to be black. GTFO.

We're not talking about being harassed, we're talking about being stopped. It's perfectly fine to stop you if you match the description of a suspect.

Where I live there is a problem with things like car theft, burglary & arson. The perpetrators are nearly always white lads in their teens. When I was younger I would get stopped and searched regularly. They had nothing to go by other than the fact I was wearing a tracksuit and in an area that has a lot of this type of crime in it. It is a nuisance but that's just tough. Answer the questions, ask for a slip in case you're late for something or in case you get stopped again and carry on with your life.

This bit was great:

Also maybe think about the fact that you are stopping that particular race and inflating the number of arrests.

Police doing their jobs you mean. An arrest is going to happen if the person being stopped is either doing something wrong (drug possession/warrant for their arrest) or acting the twat with the police (giving them cheek, resisting arrest and so on). In either case, so what?

[djchameleon]

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

We're not talking about being harassed, we're talking about being stopped. It's perfectly fine to stop you if you match the description of a suspect.

That's the thing, they hide under that claim that you supposedly match the description of a suspect but it's not the case. Also you think stop and frisking people to find nothing is not the same as being harassed?

Originally Posted by Man like Monkey

Police doing their jobs you mean. An arrest is going to happen if the person being stopped is either doing something wrong (drug possession/warrant for their arrest) or acting the twat with the police (giving them cheek, resisting arrest and so on). In either case, so what?

They are doing their jobs poorly. This method is highly ineffective and you just end up harassing more people than you actually get arrests. Then they wonder why people in the community don't want to cooperate when they are trying to find witnesses for crimes. You might as well just put up cameras and use those to help you do your job. When the only time people see police is to harass and stop them they aren't going to want to cooperate with you. When you treat the people that you are supposed to protect like animals consistently that's what happens.

"oh but maybe they should stop acting like animals."
It is the mindset when you blanket the people in one area based off of your experience and then start treating every single person you see the same way is where the issue comes into play.