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Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy
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Gee you're right, I'm out to get you specifically which is why I have only argued this with you rather than everybody. You have, however, made it very clear that you don't think noobs should post in Spill Your Guts, which is first of all ridiculous and second of all it actually does suggest that you're trying to specify where noobs can and can't post.
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First of all, YOU brought up ROXY's post about that when I asked you to justify the claim that "noobs" were being chased out of threads. I began my contribution to this discussion by saying I used to always welcome noobs but had no lonegr time for it, so why don't they just come on out and have some fun? You then somehow linked mine and Roxy's opinion throughthat quoted post (which YOU quoted), as if we both had the same opinion.
I still stand by my reasoning. The "room full of people you don't know" analogy is very apt. You need to get to know people before you start telling them what you think of them, as I've said twice or more already. This does NOT, repeat NOT mean I do not expect any new members ever to post in SYG: I just think they should wait until they have guts to spill. Be interesting to see how you twist that.
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Additionally, "noobs" is an inherently derogatory word on its own and I despise it. You may notice that I have never and will never use that word unless I'm actually addressing when someone else said it, like in the above paragraph.
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This is such a silly pointless comment I ain't gonna even comment. You might as well say rookie or greenhorn are derogatory terms.
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You're right it's not a crime, which is exactly why I said "there's nothing inherently wrong with that" directly after. Anywhere that operates on cliques like this site is unwelcome just by default. This forum is like a high school, it's really difficult for people to fit in, as evidenced by how many new members there are versus how many of those members actually develop friendships and stick around. I don't know what else I should have to say about that.
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Completely untrue. You can have cliques that welcome people. That's how they become cliques. It's the people outside the cliques who make themselves feel unwelcome often by not joining in, or feeling put-upon. Another example of your flawed logic.
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Wow damn you got me, my generalization was very accurate but since there are some exceptions I'm just 100% wrong.
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When you say "this is irrefutable" you leave zero room for manoeuvering. You're either right or you're wrong. You can't backtrack.
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For god sakes. There are only around twenty regular posters here, and if you go into basically any thread made in the past year, you will see one or multiple of those regulars in the conversation. Feel free to try and find me one exception and I will counter with fifty that prove my point.
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I think you'll find there are more than twenty regulars. Check the member list at any time to confirm.
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What do I mean by growth? What kind of question is that? Why on earth would you not want as many members here as possible? We're on a music forum, where we want as many diverse opinions and backgrounds as possible so that we can explore every facet of music. The less members, the less possible places to draw from for more music. Why the hell do I have to explain that?
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No, totally wrong. You don't want as many members as possible, all spamming and writing one-line posts. You want people of value who will contribute on their own, people who want to make the place better or want to make themselves valued. As I've been saying, be the change. Nobody's going to create an environment you can just drop into and feel comfortable right away. You need to work to make that happen, you need to be part of the community. You can't expect people to build Paradise for you while you sit out on the steps and have a smoke.I'd rather have twenty good, contributing, non-squabbling, knowledgeable and pleasant members than a hundred who are mostly useless and only here to troll or promote themselves in some way.
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Well this just suggests that you're not invested in this discussion enough to spend 10 seconds finding this answer. The member in question's name is Kartoffelbrei. Said member was extremely rudely chased off by a regular here, and you seemed to defend that, which is why I very reasonably assumed some things about your stance. I apologize, but chill the **** out. You're the one with the stance that comes off as intolerable, not me. I'm well aware that you're not actually intolerable, but the fact that you're trying to argue this with me so vehemently is really confusing to me and I have no idea why you would disagree, frankly.
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I have been PM-ing with Kart and I know why he left, but I didn't see you mentioning him. If you did my apologies but you did not mention it in your later posts to me.
You've also conveniently ignored the point about the journals, which you brought up, god knows why as it has nothing to do with people being accepted. I'd like to hear your logic on how that fits in?
One more time though: no matter how much you want me to be, I am NOT opposed to noobs (and I'll keep saying it because I don't believe anyone else finds it in the least offensive: some people start their intro thread with "Hi! Noob here!") joining in or creating threads. I think that's the best way to integrate yourself into the forum and learn who's who. I advocate waiting to post in SYG until you know people, that's all. I don't think that's a mind-alteringly radical stance to take. And I think a lot of people here agree with that. Some don't and that's fine, everyone is entitled to their opinion. But you will not make me out to be some sort of noob-hater because I am not. I was a noob once, so were you. Why would I hate them or want to make them uncomfortable?
