Member's Journal, mods won't help.

djchameleon · 10-20-2013, 06:22 AM

*DJ lurks in the shadows plotting Trollheart's smear campaign*

Unknown Soldier · 10-20-2013, 06:47 AM

I've been led to believe that this is a democratic forum, therefore I propose a referendum for whether Trollheart should be a 'journal mod' or not.

djchameleon · 10-20-2013, 06:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I've been led to believe that this is a democratic forum, therefore I propose a referendum for whether Trollheart should be a 'journal mod' or not.

Nope, not a democratic forum when it comes to picking mods though.

Mods are appointed by those in office think of it that way. How certain positions are appointed when the current head comes into office.

Unknown Soldier · 10-20-2013, 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Nope, not a democratic forum when it comes to picking mods though.

Mods are appointed by those in office think of it that way. How certain positions are appointed when the current head comes into office.

That might be true when it comes to picking mods, but as we're concerned with journal entries, journal approvals often seem a real secondary responsibility for the existing mods. By having a dedicated 'journal overseer' the responsibility is removed from the mods and entries are quickly approved. The journal overseer would also have the power to remove any spam and the odd non-desirable entry that can sneak in as well.

But I should point out that Goofle was extremely helpful today in arranging a problem with my journal.

djchameleon · 10-20-2013, 08:02 AM

Yeah one of the current mods should step up and take that responsibility. I nominate Goofle as well but I don't know how busy his schedule is lately if he would be able to handle it soley.

Trollheart · 10-20-2013, 09:08 AM

FREE BEER!
Now that I have your attention, vote for me!

Seriously, the last thing I want to do is take someone's job over, and if one mod can agree to oversee the journals that's fine with me. Vanilla was very helpful and said she would keep an eye on things, but even so I'm looking at entries made yesterday which have still not been approved. I know it's the weekend, but still.

That's why I would like to have the power (If you only knew the POWER of the DARK SIDE!) to edit and approve journal entries. As everyone knows, I have several properties there and am seldom away from the place, so any new entries would be assured of getting approved pretty damn fast. Not to mention that I could post more, not having to worry about bugging mods with constant updates.

As Right-track once said, or quoted, "if you're so fucking smart do it yourself!" Well, I may not be that smart but I'm happy to step up and do this myself. If I get the opportunity...

Trollheart · 10-20-2013, 10:20 AM

Hmmm. Perhaps I'm not putting my case over clearly enough... Let me make my position on this issue clear...

Burning Down · 10-20-2013, 10:43 AM

First of all, I'm highly surprised that this hasn't been openly addressed sooner by another moderator. For that, I apologize profusely on behalf of the team. Secondly, regarding myself, I've been a bit MIA the past couple of days since I've been quite busy with more important matters at home. I hope you can understand.

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Originally Posted by Powerstars

So my computer's broken. I type up a review on my 3DS, but one problem: I usually add a picture of the album cover, which I can't do on here. No problem, I add a message asking the mods to remove the text and add a picture of the cover...and they publish the post as is and don't contact me and tell why. No problem, it was late, they'll do it later. I submit a post reminding them...they publish that, and don't edit the previous post or contact me. Can someone please edit it, or at least contact me?

Pedestrian basically stated what I was going to say -

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

To be honest, I didn't always read every journal entry top to bottom before posting it, unless it was in SYG. It could be that they confirmed the queue and didn't realize you were attempting to communicate through it. I'd PM your favourite and ask for the favour next time, instead of trying to go through the queue.

It's true that journal posts from regular contributors don't often get read all the way through. I often just skim over them. Since journal content is controlled by the member who owns that journal, it's almost impossible for moderators to spot discrepancies or errors in the posts, simply because we think whatever you put in there is what you want!

I highly suggest that instead of putting a message to the mods through the journal, that you send us a private message. You can then be sure that it will be seen and a mod can edit or delete your post appropriately. I think that members should AT LEAST be able to edit their own journal posts. That's an administrator function that needs to be activated though and since getting the admins to approve things like this is like pulling teeth, I'm often discouraged from submitting the request because I can be 90% sure of how it will be addressed.

I will take a look at your posts now that I have a few minutes to do so, and I'll fix them as per your wishes.

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

Nope, not a democratic forum when it comes to picking mods though.

Mods are appointed by those in office think of it that way. How certain positions are appointed when the current head comes into office.

Right, it's not democratic. It's an oligarchy, or maybe a meritocracy. Members submit either their own applications or nominate other members whom they think are fit for the job, and most pick the best candidates from that group. Power is put solely into the hands of a smaller group of people. Personally, I don't have a problem turning this place into a democracy of sorts.

As for the post approval issues, aren't we really beating a dead horse with this one? Every time somebody has an issue with their journal or whatever, the issue gets brought up and addressed, time and again. Lately I have been very good at checking the queue once daily, so at the very least that means posts are getting approved once every 24 hours. I even do it at work when I'm not supposed to even be on here, or in class too. I sometimes get the impression that it's hard to keep you guys happy, and I don't want anyone to feel that way.

djchameleon · 10-20-2013, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I sometimes get the impression that it's hard to keep Trollheart happy, and I don't want anyone to feel that way.

Fixed

Trollheart · 10-20-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I sometimes get the impression that it's imposible to keep Trollheart happy, and I don't want anyone to feel that way.

Seriously, I just see the issue repeating every so often, and being a journal fiend I'm the one who tends to notice it most. I've already mentioned I don't like to put mods under pressure by submitting too many entries at once, so this slows down my productivity, as it were, as well as leading to my constantly harassing mods on the same issue.

I really think making one member (doesn't have to be me, but it does)

responsible for approving journal posts, with the power to do that, would remove what must be something of a headache for the mods, and would certainly stop whining from this quarter.

BD you're right; as I said Vanilla has been watching things for me/us. But that doesn't invalidate the fact that posts I made yesterday were only approved late today. I know it's not a huge delay, but I do wonder if, without the push from me and others, how long this could have stretched for? Sometimes it does seem, even if it's not the case, that journal posts are being overlooked, put on the back burner, even forgotten about. I understand there are more important things for mods to do, but when we put in the work I think it's only fair we should see the fruits of that labour in a reasonable time. And to be perfectly honest, no, twenty-four hours later isn't really good enough in my opinion. If the posts are not being checked, edited, spellchecked etc, and all that's needed is a tick in a box, why should that realistically take a day?

Again, if there was one person to do this it would not: it would be done on more than likely an hourly basis, which is what I would like to see. A reasonable time frame in my mind for post approval would be an hour or two after it's submitted.

Once more, not getting at you or anyone else, or trying to tell you how to do your job. Just offering to take a few of those heavy boxes from you and sort through them, leaving you free to do the rest of your work.

Edit: Oh and no, the horse is far from dead. I've given him a shot and he'll be fine, up and cantering around in no time. Until someone definitively comes out and says no to this proposal, I'm going to keep reminding you guys and pushing for it. It only seems to make sense to me, and I'm not the only one, it would appear.

10-20-2013, 09:08 AM	#16 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	FREE BEER! Now that I have your attention, vote for me! Seriously, the last thing I want to do is take someone's job over, and if one mod can agree to oversee the journals that's fine with me. Vanilla was very helpful and said she would keep an eye on things, but even so I'm looking at entries made yesterday which have still not been approved. I know it's the weekend, but still. That's why I would like to have the power (If you only knew the POWER of the DARK SIDE!) to edit and approve journal entries. As everyone knows, I have several properties there and am seldom away from the place, so any new entries would be assured of getting approved pretty damn fast. Not to mention that I could post more, not having to worry about bugging mods with constant updates. As Right-track once said, or quoted, "if you're so fucking smart do it yourself!" Well, I may not be that smart but I'm happy to step up and do this myself. If I get the opportunity... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

10-20-2013, 10:20 AM	#17 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	Hmmm. Perhaps I'm not putting my case over clearly enough... Let me make my position on this issue clear... __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018