Sopsych Complaint Thread
 

That's "winding people up" right there. A common reaction many people on this site get to thoughtful posts, and then some wonder why fights erupt and serious music discussion isn't attempted much :usehead: Moderators need to make/enforce rules against posts like that and issue warnings (or worse) for them.

Meanwhile, for all the talk about senior members now making more threads about music, I don't see any overall increase in activity in the General Music section.

This schtick is getting boring. There has been a noticeable increase in music talk with several threads concentrating on uploading and discussing various aspects of their music libraries. You must get tired always running around in your head in circles.

You're not looking hard enough. It's not only the General Music section but the other sections and subforums as well. I don't know anything about what you like to listen to so I hope to see more posts from you in the music sections just so I can satisfy my curiosity haha.

You have done absolutely nothing for this community other than cry crocodile tears about not getting your own way in a discussion. You want to see changes? Start with your attitude.

Several other people, including myself, have said this time and again. The message doesn't seem to be getting through.

Ban him. It'll get through if we do that.

Bro is dat u?
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your avatar goes great with your post rez lmao

Ban me for disagreeing with the clique? Brilliant.

I've said many, many times that I'm not going to put time and effort into making threads that are likely to get me attacked and reduce incentive from moderators to change the site's atmosphere. No matter how many threads senior members make, new or sensitive people (mostly women, I suppose) are unlikely to participate enough given the level of meanness on MB. Nobody can force me to start threads, just like you can't purely wish activity from people outside the clique.

I regularly view just a few sub-forums here. The Pop section doesn't seem more active. Not sure about Rock, which is more important. General Music possibly is the most important part of the site, the part making the biggest impression on members who aren't already dedicated to Music Banter - and as I said, it's not improving.

I see what the previous posters mean about banging their heads against the wall with you. You want the forum to change and just expect others to change it for you. Try taking the initiative yourself and inject some life into the parts of the forum that interest you and btw you don't have to be a moderator to do so either.

I mentioned to you before, how the journals section of this forum is full of life and that's largely thanks to Trollheart. How about somebody called Sopsych doing the same thing on General Music or any other area of the forum that interests you, instead of constantly whining on here about getting things changed.

You should take big3s advice and ignore him.

There are women here who have participated in the "meanness" and "cliques" and all that. It's not just the men doing it.

I'm not sure if he's actually a troll, or somebody that's used to having his hand held when making decisions in life, if the latter then subtle encouragement is certainly needed here.

There was no need to say that, as it's usually the women who are involved in this type of stuff anyway. Women with women normally means trouble:laughing:

I am not sure either, he/she has put a LOT of effort into trolling for no reason if that is the case. Although unless he/she does something about it I dont see why we should even discuss it with him any further.

Nearly all his/her recent posts have been on this thread, the only other recent posts that are there on a regular basis are the Madonna Vs Lady GaGa and the Nickelback Vs Justin Beiber threads :laughing: Says it all really.

People don't seem to want to think. I already indicated that, besides reducing incentive for policy change, my threads are likely to receive too much negative attention under the current atmosphere. How would that help? More fighting will not revive the forum. Journals, whatever, few people read them and they're unlikely to cause controversy even among quick-tempered members. The sensible plan would be to improve the atmosphere first and then increase traffic with interesting threads by people like me.

Why not start your interesting threads first to help get things started, instead of bitching about a lack of interesting.

You draw the negative attention directed at you, by yourself. People don't like your attitude. If it's impossible for you to see the more positive aspects of this website, maybe it's time to move elsewhere.

The atmosphere is fine...stop being lazy and take action, do something/create something that helps change the forum. I just started a music trade thread, BD mods...why dont you do your part and maybe magically this negative atmosphere would dissapear.

People shooting the messenger and ignoring tons of evidence instead of admitting the problem.

I hardly see any positive side. Why are my posts concentrated in complaint threads and a few stupid-seeming music discussion threads that haters cite against me? Because most topics aren't good (or are too obscure, a minor distinction), and when I do reply somewhere, it's like posting into thin air. People on this site seem more interested in replying to their friends or attacking anything they disagree with than making enjoyable music discussion. It's a point others have stated in this thread. Even many people who create threads seem to selectively reply within their threads.

Um, excuse me? One hundred and twelve thousand views, and that without any real promotion by me. Other journals have well in the five figures too. So much for your offhand and unreasoned comment. :rolleyes:

I don't really know what the consequences were that made this thread but from what i've seen, I don't think there's any reason to hate on the behavior of the moderators. From what i've seen, they go out of their way to make the community happy. They've done more than enough things to help me out like approving my new avatars even if it's too close to when I got my last one, and Janz just approved my journal so I could check it for edits. Honestly, that's a pretty awesome thing to do and especially since they do it for free.

This was a derail of a thread that has a specific purpose. If you'd like to contribute to that thread in the way it was intended you're welcome to. If you'd like to continue having the discussion you're having here, you are also welcome to do that.

Yac is not stupid, he's going to see right through it.

Works both ways. You're shooting the mods and ignoring the evidence that you're the only one here that seems to think the way the rules are enforced are more detrimental to this site than the way people behave as individuals.

I don't disagree with the fact that we've been lenient lately, but if you understand anything at all about the dynamic involved with balancing an entire community of individuals' effects on the greater good of the whole, you'd obviously still disagree with, for instance, the fact that we haven't banned you yet for being willingly uncompromising and purposelessly argumentative as is evidenced by the reactions of pretty much everyone here, who statistically hold more weight than your individual perspective.

I realize your retort will be something to the effect of, "So being uncompromising and argumentative is a crime now"?

My answer would be, it depends on if enough people feel like it's unreasonable. And this is not a sample taken from the mods. So if I were you, I'd listen more to what your fellow members have to say. They're ultimately the ones who decide whether you're a nuisance or not. But, indeed, if you would rather us take that upon ourselves without the benefit of your peers, we can accommodate.

So basically your complaint is that because you or someone else don't have the kind of feedback you want from posts, (which strangely has nothing to do with the posts in question... odd) the whole system is flawed?

Please help me clarify whether or not that's your position. Because it sounds like you're willingly disregarding the fact that people routinely engage in good music discussions when there is a good music discussion going on. If your gripe is that the mods need to start deleting everything they deem as "not good music discussion", yeah, we can go Hitler with it if you want. But we won't. Because it's not our responsibility to ensure your posts are worth replying to. And the sooner you realize that, the less angry you will be.

And if you think this is some clique where only the members get involved in the discussion, you're deluding yourself. While we have somewhat cliquish factions here and there, I seriously doubt that anyone who has something interesting to say to someone who is interested is going to turn that convo down.

And unless you're suggesting that the mods drill into the brains of all our members and flip a "be interested in everything" switch, you already know what you have to do. Post interesting things in relevant areas. But don't blame the world when no one seems to mirror your sensibilities.

That's just ridiculous.

"The complaints I've made are shared by others in the original thread" For example, tore.

This spin-off thread is meant to isolate and abuse me. It would take some balls for somebody to come into a pile-on and fight for the victim. The only reason there have been so many posts by me is because people keep insulting me, dismissing facts (e.g., statements by tore), and distorting my position.

I don't understand a lot of that and am not in the mood to try to figure it out. Again, if people here would just think - gee, if someone prefers to talk with pals, he/she is naturally going to put less attention and mental energy toward reading and replying to non-friends' posts and probably automatically would go to a different thread featuring friends than reply to someone else (unless it's for the "fun" of mod-approved attacking). Of course people could fight their own tendency, but I see complete unwillingness by haters to follow any of my advice. Since I am a thinker, it pops into my head right now that the revived Journal in itself will just divert more attention from regulars to each other.

Anyone who sees this thread and does not approve of its existence should be ready to tell Yac what the real problem with this site is.

sopsych, do you want to enjoy being a member of this site?

No, it's meant to remove a derail from the thread it's derailing. It's a compromise that allows the conversation taking place in the derail to continue on, if the people involved want it to, while also allowing the original thread to continue serving the community in the way it was intended to.

I think people can see through that, given the title of the thread and various mods' bashing and threatening me and condoning of nasty things posted by others.

At some point, Yac will make changes. Moderators don't last forever, especially when things go bad under their watch.

Now you're just trolling.

Lets assume you're a moderator, let me ask you a question.

Would you ban a dozen members the forum of people that actually contribute to the site and who are usually easy going, friendly & no trouble for reacting to something they've become more & more frustrated with over the past week, or would you get rid of the one person who doesn't contribute, who has openly said they have no intention of doing so who is causing them to act in that way?

Think carefully

That is false dichotomy and distorted. There's no need to ban anyone and nobody is a total non-contributor, but of the people who are clearly acting against site rules, some of their posting histories would indicate that they have acted out against other members elsewhere on the site. I said before that banning me would not help the site at all, and any impact would be negative through loss of music posts and alienation of people who agree with me. And there's no acknowledgement that I have a right to be frustrated when we (atmosphere-change proponents) keep making reasonable suggestions that aren't even considered.

You do have a right to be frustrated, as do the members who have become frustrated with you derailing the thread you were derailing. Now everybody can be happy.

I find it interesting (and annoying) that you go on about people ignoring facts yet you have very conveniently completely ignored my post challenging your assertion that journals are read by only a "few" people. I've given you evidence of over 100,000 views in my own, plus thousands in my others and more than ten thousand in other journals by other people, with decent conversations being held, yet you have no answer to that.

Can you not at least admit that a) that was a completely offhand and not researched comment and b) it was completely wrong? Do you, or have you, ever even read anyone's journal, or are you just, as usual, making a massive, unsupported assumption and then ignoring the fact that it's wrong because it doesn't fit in with the way you want things to be? Can you not accept you've made a grevious error in judgement here? This only refers to the journals, which I sort of see as my child, given how much time I spend on mine and the encouragement I give to others, but it's sort of indicative of your whole mindset: you shout and scream about the things you don't like but then can't admit you're wrong about things you ARE wrong about, and are not prepared to try to help or foster change without adding your own "rider" onto that.

If anyone's guilty of causing, and maintaining, a level of drama we've not seen in some time, here's a mirror.

Trolls don't care about facts, they spit in the face of facts and make up their own to keep people agitated.

Still can't believe this guy is still going after all this time. I shouldn't even contribute to this thread.

I don't understand where you are getting this from. We managed, thanks to Duga to improve the site in order to get more members positively posting on the music forums. It actually worked. I feel closer to members like Arya Stark and Rez because of this and I'm very happy!

Why are you always being so negative? Mods try to do their best from an unpaying job and we have rules in places to sort out people that don't contribute in the right manner. Many would love to say that what you do is trolling. Have you ever been a happy person? Because your posts are always so negative and focused on bringing down the people who are mods. You might have noticed that many people appreciate what moderaters do a good job and are lenient towards establish members as we give them an opportunity to make up for past mistakes.

I want you to try being more positive, as positivity spreads when everyone speaks politely. If you actually get off your ass and do something that contributes to the board musically I will feel like you are making a contribution. If you continue this consistently negative behaviour you may find you will be on our naughty member santa list.

Sopsych is like a broken down robot, that just keeps repeating the same thing again and again. I don't think I've ever come across another member on this site or any site, who's been given the answer to his question from so many different people and still seems totally baffled by it all. I fully expect Sopsych to be asking the same question for the next millennia, unless he short circuits by then.

I wanted to look at the numbers first, since they didn't make sense. They still don't make much sense, though the sheer age of some of those journal threads automatically give them many views (search engine robots included). I do not know how many people currently post to that section - mods could more easily research that than I could - but it ought to be less than the number in General Music. ("Ought to" because Journals are inherently clique-oriented.) I'm going to make another assertion - that Journals have virtually no impact on whether new members became regular contributors to the site. (Lots of people patting themselves on the back for something that in practice doesn't address the gist of Duga's complaint.)

So, I'm wrong about a very minor point that's hardly related to site atmosphere, and you want a medal? How many people have joined this week, been turned off by the types of discussion they've seen, and probably never will return?

Well, okay, on a positive note, some nasty posts were deleted from this thread.

A lot of posts are made in the journal section each day. I'm always approving good quality journal posts whenever I open the queue. All those posts are from a variety of members as well, not just the ones who have journals themselves.