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hip hop bunny hop · 08-17-2013, 09:11 AM

Analysis: the mods have been mods for year. As the mods have anything but laissez-faire in their use of the ban hammer and their other authorities, it's reasonable to assume their style of moderation has led to the current predicament. Further, as the mods (rightly or wrongly) have a certain level of esteem on the board, this has allowed cliques to ossify and led to a certain amount of bitchiness.

Examples of dramatic failures of moderation: link. In this thread, the OP is dismayed that not everyone shares his opinion, and as the moderator in question shared his opinion, the thread is locked. This is a good example of both how cliques among the boards mods led to a quieting of discussion that was completely within the rules.

Guybrush · 08-17-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Analysis: the mods have been mods for year. As the mods have anything but laissez-faire in their use of the ban hammer and their other authorities, it's reasonable to assume their style of moderation has led to the current predicament. Further, as the mods (rightly or wrongly) have a certain level of esteem on the board, this has allowed cliques to ossify and led to a certain amount of bitchiness.

Examples of dramatic failures of moderation: link. In this thread, the OP is dismayed that not everyone shares his opinion, and as the moderator in question shared his opinion, the thread is locked. This is a good example of both how cliques among the boards mods led to a quieting of discussion that was completely within the rules.

You could've been right, but towards the end, it was rather clear that the rules were being broken with the intent of ruining discussion or somehow cause aggravation or irritation. I think the thread is a good example of how drama and hostility was allowed to run rampant for too long, actually, and am grateful for how the mods intervened after I reported what I thought was a clear violation of the rules. Maybe you need to go over the last few pages of the thread again if you don't think so.

The way I see it, the discussion had taken a bad turn. I think leaving it open would've been an invitation for more conflict and drama. If you'd like to continue on the discussion that went on there, perhaps you could start a new thread.

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Originally Posted by duga

Tore, I agree with what you are saying... On paper. However, you are thinking too much like a scientist where there is a clear cut black and white solution to everything. There is a lot of gray here. Are we trolls for bringing up what we have? No, because we are both members who have contributed positively in the past. Is sopsych a troll for bringing up what he has? Maybe not initially, but with the turn things have taken, I say yes. He is a member who has not contributed positively to this forum and has persistently spewed his hard headed ideas in this thread. We would have considered his points if he had just posted them and let the discussion continue. But now we have a hard time taking them seriously.

Anyway, I've kept up on this thread and - despite the bits of drama (which were expected) - this discussion has been great. It's nice to see people still care about this site!

I'm going to think on ways we can turn some of these ideas from discussion to actual positive change. But not tonight... I'm seeing My Bloody Valentine in Dallas yeeya. I'll think on all this...

I do tend to think in terms of principles and I am aware that applying principles is easier "on paper" than it is in real life. Regarding trolling, I think it is something that is done with intent and in this case, I just think the intent is lacking. If others disagree, I can live with that. Regarding clickyness and drama, I think a double standard regarding what goes when moderating can contribute to that .. I should perhaps mention that some amount of double standards is impossible to avoid and I had double standards myself when I moderated. I treated long time, productive members more fairly than troublesome newcomers. But if the double standard becomes too great and long time members are treated too fairly, of course they may become privileged brats!

By the way, I love the positive finish to your post

I hope you enjoy the concert and tell us about it when you come back!

08-17-2013, 09:11 AM	#1 (permalink)
hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	Analysis: the mods have been mods for year. As the mods have anything but laissez-faire in their use of the ban hammer and their other authorities, it's reasonable to assume their style of moderation has led to the current predicament. Further, as the mods (rightly or wrongly) have a certain level of esteem on the board, this has allowed cliques to ossify and led to a certain amount of bitchiness. Examples of dramatic failures of moderation: link. In this thread, the OP is dismayed that not everyone shares his opinion, and as the moderator in question shared his opinion, the thread is locked. This is a good example of both how cliques among the boards mods led to a quieting of discussion that was completely within the rules. __________________ Have mercy on the poor.