We've got a major problem...

Zer0 · 08-07-2013, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Exactly. We simply don't have a large enough number of people to form a working democracy. Small voting blocs would have too much ability to skew the results.

A relative meritocracy, similar to what we have now, is the best way, and I don't think there's any reason to change the current system - the team is already reasonable enough to weed out the bad mods.

The current system is the best system. I mod on another forum and if one mod leaves we just compile a list of potential candidates, investigate their posting history and general attitude and then select who we deem fit. It rarely fails.

The general problem with this place isn't even to do with the mod team. Anybody can help to make this place more worthwhile with thoughtful and constructive posts and threads.

Unknown Soldier · 08-07-2013, 04:12 PM

I agree with Duga's original post that a lot of what goes on in the lounge is very much the rotten apple of the forum and too many people spend too much time on there fuelling up the dramas on there and it's usually the same culprits. There's nothing wrong with a debate and a bit of fisticuffs as we don't necessarily want a forum with angels either, but when it becomes constant trolling and verbal abuse I think that should be knocked on the head straight away. Personally I think the mods should take a firmer hand with certain people on here that are unable to interact in a decent manner, For example that Serbian nut that was one here and got banned, after spending about a week abusing people that didn't agree with him, he really should have been warned after the first abuse and banned on the second, I don't know why it went on for so long. If this type of no-nonsense message was made clear then the drama whores would leave and there would be a greater focus on music debate.

Normally I'm not one for a strict control on most things but when it comes to an internet forum, I think those in authority have a responsibility to go tough on offenders from the word go.

Urban Hat€monger ? · 08-07-2013, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

Personally I think the mods should take a firmer hand with certain people on here that are unable to interact in a decent manner, For example that Serbian nut that was one here and got banned, after spending about a week abusing people that didn't agree with him, he really should have been warned after the first abuse and banned on the second, I don't know why it went on for so long. If this type of no-nonsense message was made clear then the drama whores would leave and there would be a greater focus on music debate.

I think your memory may be playing tricks on you.
He joined on August 1st, received his first warning from Duga on that day.
Then I gave him a ban in the early hours of August 3rd.

So in reality he was barely here a day and a half and we did exactly what you just suggested to the letter.

Unknown Soldier · 08-07-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Urban Hat€monger ?

I think your memory may be playing tricks on you.
He joined on August 1st, received his first warning from Duga on that day.
Then I gave him a ban in the early hours of August 3rd.

So in reality he was barely here a day and a half and we did exactly what you just suggested to the letter.

Ok squire, my mistake

GuitarBizarre · 08-07-2013, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

I agree with Duga's original post that a lot of what goes on in the lounge is very much the rotten apple of the forum and too many people spend too much time on there fuelling up the dramas on there and it's usually the same culprits. There's nothing wrong with a debate and a bit of fisticuffs as we don't necessarily want a forum with angels either, but when it becomes constant trolling and verbal abuse I think that should be knocked on the head straight away. Personally I think the mods should take a firmer hand with certain people on here that are unable to interact in a decent manner, For example that Serbian nut that was one here and got banned, after spending about a week abusing people that didn't agree with him, he really should have been warned after the first abuse and banned on the second, I don't know why it went on for so long. If this type of no-nonsense message was made clear then the drama whores would leave and there would be a greater focus on music debate.

Normally I'm not one for a strict control on most things but when it comes to an internet forum, I think those in authority have a responsibility to go tough on offenders from the word go.

Again, I really, REALLY don't think moderation is the problem here. At some point members, and that includes me, you, and everyone else, have to stand up and say "If the mod team need to be stricter with us, then we are not being strict enough on ourselves".

Crowing for greater "control" or whatever, is just going to destroy the easygoing atmosphere we currently have, and won't make anyone any more "welcomed".

Unknown Soldier · 08-07-2013, 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

Again, I really, REALLY don't think moderation is the problem here. At some point members, and that includes me, you, and everyone else, have to stand up and say "If the mod team need to be stricter with us, then we are not being strict enough on ourselves".

This is just it though, you're judging people by your own standards and behaviour patterns, you, I and most members on here know what's acceptable and what's not. A lot of people that could come onto the forum, have no desire to conform to what is acceptable and get a greater kick on how far they can push and get. There's people on here form all parts of the world with really only music and the English language to connect them. Apart from that they could be anybody which is both good and bad, the bad is that they have different behaviour patterns and different ways of expressing themselves, especially in a more difficult situations and this can sometimes lead to the problems that have been expressed in this post.

GuitarBizarre · 08-07-2013, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Unknown Soldier

This is just it though, you're judging people by your own standards and behaviour patterns, you, I and most members on here know what's acceptable and what's not. A lot of people that could come onto the forum, have no desire to conform to what is acceptable and get a greater kick on how far they can push and get. There's people on here form all parts of the world with really only music and the English language to connect them. Apart from that they could be anybody which is both good and bad, the bad is that they have different behaviour patterns and different ways of expressing themselves, especially in a more difficult situations and this can sometimes lead to the problems that have been expressed in this post.

Yeah, but the moderation patterns haven't changed in years (Unless you count boobs going psycho). There used to be no problem with this. The way people are (As you put it, with only music and the english language to connect them) hasn't changed, the modding hasn't changed - what *has* changed to cause our current problem?

I think the answer is - longer term members started pushing their limits, and a variety of internal groups formed that changed the forum dynamic. The new members are being given the same short leash they always have been, so changing the way things are modded won't help.

I'm not honestly sure what would help, but what I am sure of is that it has to come from all of us as members, (including the mod team, they're members too), since just imposing rules isn't getting to the core of the issue - if we got incredibly in depth with new moderation rules and stuff, we'd triple the mod teams workload, and maybe we'd be able to treat the symptoms of the deeper problem - but we wouldn't be attacking the problem at the source, and that's no good.

That's not to say the mod team can't try and encourage this their own way, and maybe impose a couple new guidelines to help out, but they should be gentle guidelines aimed at levelling things out so we can focus on and fix the bigger issues. A drastic change isn't needed here - after all, what we want out of this isn't "change the way the forum works" or "Change who the members are" - we're just asking that new members (and old members) get to see a happier, less dramatic picture of the same thing we've always been.

Unknown Soldier · 08-08-2013, 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I think the answer is - longer term members started pushing their limits, and a variety of internal groups formed that changed the forum dynamic. The new members are being given the same short leash they always have been, so changing the way things are modded won't help.

This is actually a very good point and probably the cause of everything rotten on MB at the moment. Sure gradually over a period of time certain long term members (mentioning no names) have pushed their limits and there is certainly a semblance of a gang mentality amongst them in some cases, I've noticed certain people backing up others or turning a blind eye in certain situations, it's nothing serious but it's there. Once again I fall back on my original idea of stronger moderation, because only the mods have the power to install a level of control here. I mean when a long term member goes bad, there's really no excuse for it, they're hardly newbies that need reminding of how to behave

Finally I kind of praise Trollheart's post above, reflecting that MB should actually be a place that people can come to and discuss stuff without too much hassle....... who needs hassle on an internet forum when life's full of it anyway!

hip hop bunny hop · 08-08-2013, 01:05 PM

The mods have been mods too long. Time for new mods.

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hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	The mods have been mods too long. Time for new mods. __________________ Have mercy on the poor.