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Neapolitan · 08-11-2013, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

One last question in this post: has moderating posts ever been tried as a way of "training" people to not fight with each other?

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Originally Posted by tore

I think the hostility towards Sopsych and how it's now manifesting in this thread is more indicative of or part of the problem than Sopsych himself is. Can't we discuss this without petty bickering and trolly posts?

So you think it is ok for Sopych to talk about MB members they should be trained like animals? You train puppies, you don't "train" humans. Yeah I know there is the instance of "on the job training" but I guess if it isn't work related and just the way it was used here it could be seen a subtle insult, like members here have to be "trained" like puppies, like the mods here are to be like dog trainers and give out treats and a pat on the head for good behaviour or swatting members with a rolled up news paper for bad behaviour. I think that's wrong, we're not puppies.

I think anticipation's bark is worse than his bite, he's harmless like a puppy. Tore if you just translate what anticipation said into a more kinder words, what he said it kinda makes sense. imo Sopsych telling people on how to run the forum is kinda like the tail wagging the dog.

sopsych · 08-11-2013, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I think the hostility towards Sopsych and how it's now manifesting in this thread is more indicative of or part of the problem than Sopsych himself is. Can't we discuss this without petty bickering and trolly posts?

Amen. I wish Pedestrian, Trollheart, and others would reiterate their points from a few days ago, instead of letting it seem like it's just whipping-boy me who wants things to change.

Edit: "train" was in quotes to be somewhat facetious, although I do believe that forum atmospheres do partly condition members' behavior and that moderators theoretically could deliberately condition troublesome members' behavior. It's part of my idealistic hope that nobody gets banned and instead everyone can enjoy the forum and not hate anybody. (No, I didn't just get body-snatched.)

Another question: is it possible to moderate entire threads? I've never heard of that on any forum, but it's a nice feature to fantasize about.

Burning Down · 08-11-2013, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by sopsych

Amen. I wish Pedestrian, Trollheart, and others would reiterate their points from a few days ago, instead of letting it seem like it's just whipping-boy me who wants things to change.

Edit: "train" was in quotes to be somewhat facetious, although I do believe that forum atmospheres do partly condition members' behavior and that moderators theoretically could deliberately condition troublesome members' behavior. It's part of my idealistic hope that nobody gets banned and instead everyone can enjoy the forum and not hate anybody. (No, I didn't just get body-snatched.)

Another question: is it possible to moderate entire threads? I've never heard of that on any forum, but it's a nice feature to fantasize about.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Can you please elaborate? The posts in Editor's Pick and Member's Journal all have to be approved by us (so if you post there you'll see a message saying it will have to be approved by a moderator). But I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

Trollheart · 08-11-2013, 04:34 PM

As for me, I'm not sure what points you're referring to, but unlike you I'm getting off my arse and doing something about it. I've started two new music-related threads this week and as usual I update people on what's going on in the journal section. So I'm doing what I can. Could probably do more. But it's one hundred percent more than what you're doing.

A wise woman once said: "it's easy to criticise, Homer!" (To which the response was, "Fun, too!")

How many threads have you started, huh? I don't mean to be aggressive but you keep whining about how people won't change and yet you're doing nothing yourself to bring about that change. What are all these wonderful threads you tell us you'd make if the forum were run the way you want it to be? Lord almighty!

It's so easy to bitch from the sidelines: get in the game, man!

Either that or stop the incessant complaining.

Points reiterated enough for ya?

sopsych · 08-11-2013, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

I'm not exactly sure what you mean here. Can you please elaborate? The posts in Editor's Pick and Member's Journal all have to be approved by us (so if you post there you'll see a message saying it will have to be approved by a moderator). But I'm not sure if that's what you mean.

I have never paid attention to those sections. Yes, that is what I mean. Is it possible to turn moderation on for an existing thread in another section?

As for behavioral change, if I start threads again now, 1) I'll be ticked off at reactions and 2) that lessens incentive for moderators and other members to rein in the nastiness.

Astronomer · 08-11-2013, 07:16 PM

Stop feeding the troll.

**Janszoon** · 08-11-2013, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Astronomer

Stop feeding the troll.

This raises one of the big questions from the OP actually:

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Originally Posted by duga

And how do we get people who just like to stir **** up to shut the **** up?

Is the best solution for everybody to try and collectively ignore them? Or should there be stricter enforcement of MB's anti-trolling rule? Or something else maybe?

Arya Stark · 08-11-2013, 07:21 PM

It's not like he's trolling by being offensive, he's just being annoying. I think ignoring is the best in this case.

**Janszoon** · 08-11-2013, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Arya Stark

It's not like he's trolling by being offensive, he's just being annoying. I think ignoring is the best in this case.

That seems reasonable to me. What happens when not everybody ignores them though? Should mods start deleting the trolling posts or the responses or both? Or should the conversation be left to take its natural course, even if it leads to more of the kind of drama everybody hates?

sopsych · 08-11-2013, 09:22 PM

I dislike false accusations of trolling. I didn't come here to be abused. This is supposed to be a site for good music discussion, but because it isn't someone other than me created this thread. Don't blame me for this site's problems.

08-11-2013, 04:34 PM	#254 (permalink)
Trollheart Born to be mild Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 404 Not Found Posts: 26,992	As for me, I'm not sure what points you're referring to, but unlike you I'm getting off my arse and doing something about it. I've started two new music-related threads this week and as usual I update people on what's going on in the journal section. So I'm doing what I can. Could probably do more. But it's one hundred percent more than what you're doing. A wise woman once said: "it's easy to criticise, Homer!" (To which the response was, "Fun, too!") How many threads have you started, huh? I don't mean to be aggressive but you keep whining about how people won't change and yet you're doing nothing yourself to bring about that change. What are all these wonderful threads you tell us you'd make if the forum were run the way you want it to be? Lord almighty! It's so easy to bitch from the sidelines: get in the game, man! Either that or stop the incessant complaining. Points reiterated enough for ya? __________________ Trollheart: Signature-free since April 2018

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sopsych Music Addict Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: indoors Posts: 722	I dislike false accusations of trolling. I didn't come here to be abused. This is supposed to be a site for good music discussion, but because it isn't someone other than me created this thread. Don't blame me for this site's problems. __________________ If you have ideas or feedback for the site, visit The Musicbanter Improvement Thread.