We've got a major problem...

WWWP · 08-08-2013, 01:43 PM

Ironic thread is ironic.

People were hella mean to me when I first joined - I had mods tell me to go away and not come back. But did I listen? No. Because it's the internet. People are mean on the internet, it's come to be expected. Whether or not that's acceptable is beside the point, but those who want to stay and contribute will. I've been on forums far more malicious than this but no matter where I go PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DISCUSS MUSIC WILL DISCUSS MUSIC - DISCUSSION FINDS A WAY.

I don't think that we are particularly unwelcoming. If a group of people were standing around in real life talking about music and some dude with an MCR shirt walked up and was like "hi guys I'm new here" we would absolutely not be expected to accept him into the group without question - he has to prove himself worthy of joining the discussion (by worthy, of course, I mean he has to hold his own in conversation). Maybe that's a ****ed up way of looking at it but like I said, if people want to discuss music they'll discuss music. If you don't like the drama that happens in the lounge, don't read the lounge posts. Ffs.

GuitarBizarre · 08-08-2013, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

Ironic thread is ironic.

People were hella mean to me when I first joined - I had mods tell me to go away and not come back. But did I listen? No. Because it's the internet. People are mean on the internet, it's come to be expected. Whether or not that's acceptable is beside the point, but those who want to stay and contribute will. I've been on forums far more malicious than this but no matter where I go PEOPLE WHO WANT TO DISCUSS MUSIC WILL DISCUSS MUSIC - DISCUSSION FINDS A WAY.

I don't think that we are particularly unwelcoming. If a group of people were standing around in real life talking about music and some dude with an MCR shirt walked up and was like "hi guys I'm new here" we would absolutely not be expected to accept him into the group without question - he has to prove himself worthy of discussion. Maybe that's a ****ed up way of looking at it like I said, if people want to discuss music they'll discuss music. If you don't like the drama that happens in the lounge, don't read the lounge posts. Ffs.

So much this. *WAY* too much is being made of how "mean" we are to newbies. We really aren't.

Dr_Rez · 08-08-2013, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by wolverinewolfweiselpigeon

People were hella mean to me when I first joined - I had mods tell me to go away and not come back. But did I listen? No. Because it's the internet. People are mean on the internet, it's come to be expected.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Rez

U mad?

Wise mans quote.

But seriously I do not think we treat new members that badly. It isnt like they should be given loads of respect...they have not earned it. Do you give loads of respect and your heart to a stranger...hell no they have to earn it.

Unknown Soldier · 08-08-2013, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

I think the answer is - longer term members started pushing their limits, and a variety of internal groups formed that changed the forum dynamic. The new members are being given the same short leash they always have been, so changing the way things are modded won't help.

This is actually a very good point and probably the cause of everything rotten on MB at the moment. Sure gradually over a period of time certain long term members (mentioning no names) have pushed their limits and there is certainly a semblance of a gang mentality amongst them in some cases, I've noticed certain people backing up others or turning a blind eye in certain situations, it's nothing serious but it's there. Once again I fall back on my original idea of stronger moderation, because only the mods have the power to install a level of control here. I mean when a long term member goes bad, there's really no excuse for it, they're hardly newbies that need reminding of how to behave

Finally I kind of praise Trollheart's post above, reflecting that MB should actually be a place that people can come to and discuss stuff without too much hassle....... who needs hassle on an internet forum when life's full of it anyway!

hip hop bunny hop · 08-08-2013, 02:05 PM

The mods have been mods too long. Time for new mods.

Unknown Soldier · 08-08-2013, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

Time for new mods.

For the sake of mankind, let's hope you're not one.

Dr_Rez · 08-08-2013, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by hip hop bunny hop

The mods have been mods too long. Time for new mods.

WWWP · 08-08-2013, 02:25 PM

WWWP for Mod 2013

FETCHER. · 08-08-2013, 02:57 PM

I've read through this whole thread now and I agree with most points, that the lounge is definitely taking the limelight away from the music forums.

I do however think a lack of new members affects me (personally). I only have maybe 4 members here I can discuss music with and it gets pretty boring after a while because their main interests don't lie within Electronica music. So new members hanging around would mean more people who listen to a similar type of music as me.

I think that the cliques on musicbanter are pretty damaging to the forum, I don't think that arguments through discussion are necessarily bad for the forum at all, I find that it's the random nasty jibes that members like to throw around that are particularly damaging to this place. I've been here 4 years and I don't know where to look when it happens, nevermind someone who's just signed up.

Trollheart · 08-08-2013, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Burning Down

This thread is not for singling out individual members just because they might be guilty of perpetuating drama or trolling people or whatever. It's for ways on how to curb the drama in the Lounge and get more music discussion happening.

Possibly approached that badly but those members have already been mentioned; I wasn't the first to refer to her and saying "a certain member" would be pointless really, as everyone knows who I'm talking about. But I would argue that the problem isn't just with the lounge; some members will almost follow others around into any thread they're in and hassle them. What I simply suggested was faster reaction to insults being cast or personal attacks. There is definitely too much leeway allowed in some cases, virtually none in others, and I think this hurts the perception of the place. When you're faced with a rule that says "no personal attacks" and someone attacks you personally and gets away with it, and keeps getting away with it, that makes a mockery of the rules and definitely instigates a sort of one-rule-for-them-another-for-us mentality, whether it's intended or not. It's like that old thing, "oh it's just so-and-so, that's how he/she is" and people get away with something that nobody else would.

I remember once I said something I shouldn't have and next time I logged on I discovered I was banned. No warning, no nothing. Gone for I think two days. Deservedly so too, but that sort of punishment should be meted out regardless of who the member is. If it gets to a point where one member or a group of members can basically say what they like, while another gets kicked for either responding or making similar comments, it shows a sense of unfair treatment.

I just think the drama would be less if people knew they were playing with fire. Attack someone once, and you get warned, second time you're banned. That needs to happen across the board, not based on who a member is or isn't. And I think that's all very relevant to the discussion here; I'm not trying to blacken anyone's name or get back at anyone. My post merely said (in my typical longwinded way) that I was willing to let bygones be bygones, but not be walked on. That was all. I think a more zero-tolerance policy with personal attacks would show people the mods are serious about stamping this sort of thing out. Am I wrong? Is it wrong to say I'll try but I expect the other party to try too? Is this a bad example to give to others? I didn't think it was personally.

You know, you give people an inch they'll take a foot, and next thing you know you ain't got a leg to stand on!

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hip hop bunny hop Music Addict Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 1,381	The mods have been mods too long. Time for new mods. __________________ Have mercy on the poor.