You make no sense to me, in MY opinion moderation should be about encouraging the community to thrive and grow. As for the running of the forum, without responsibility and contribution you may as well get boo boo back on the mod team as far as I'm concerned.

I feel that it's worth adding this:

In his introduction thread, I felt like the conversation was going very awkwardly, so I felt like passing a remark about my failure to understand general scorn for country - nothing inflammatory, just something to talk about:

His reply was the following:

This has been picked up on by a few other members - and it's certainly an attitude I'm personally uncomfortable with. I listen to a lot of country and I think I made it fairly obvious. Yet the blanket dismissal of it and saying I didn't know enough to "truly understand" why the music I love "sucks".

Anyway, that itself is really only a minor concern with the way he treats different viewpoints - my next quote is entirely more worrying to me:


This statement shows clear intent to sideline and ignore what he doesn't like - and I for one think that if he in any way interfered this much with the running of the forum, it would have disastrous consequences.
It's hard to elaborate on this point without falling into the "slippery slope" trap, but I think that if he is really going to be actively involved in the site admin, he really ought not to be permitted to make decisions which effect the rest of as much as this.

I respect that he's entitled to his own opinion, even on how little respect he has for what music we like, but please don't let this manifest itself in him archiving sections we like, closing thread on bands he doesn't approve of or even banning contributing members he doesn't feel are being nice enough to him.

I do agree entirely with what Unknown Soldier said about the fact that he's not been long enough for us to know anything about him, but there is conversely a real danger of giving such authority to someone who knows nothing about the way this forum works.

1 - Nothing stops them telling us. We are an online discussion forum. The entire point of our existence is to be able to talk to each other. We still have no idea what jay's much touted "job" even is. Not even the mods know. Yac probably does, but he's not telling us. Thats unprofessional as far as I see it. I don't know of any company that does stuff like this, with this "half public, half behind-the-scenes" attitude, and the reason for that is because it looks horrible and sows mistrust, even if the job being done is benign. People like to either be told what is going on, or have it done outright, internally, without being bothered by it.

2 - If he was here just to a do a job, and was hired to do so, professional conduct would be a part of that, no? If I hired an employee and they had Jays grammar and attitude towards...everything, I'd be unhappy. Especially if they took that public when their job has nothing to do with anything of that nature. I know people who have been suspended and officially disciplined by their respective employers for less, because their attitudes and statements were bringing the company into disrepute.

That's one aspect of moderation, as I said. perhaps even the main aspect. There is also the control of forum-wide moderation policies, the dealing with higher level changes like the alteration of the forum layout, the banning of spambots (which has been declared by mods as a serious problem), communication with the owners (something which isn't happening at all at the moment, it seems),.... The fact is that only one aspect of moderation, the public face, actually requires the mod to be a healthy contributor. Every other aspect could be done without ever posting in any part of the forum. One doesn't even have to like the forum to be able to do the job, though it does help.

That's true, nothing stops them telling us. Except perhaps the fact that they don't deem it necessary on the global scale of things. I agree, I would like to know what they plan and what jayshreddz is here to do, but precedent shows that the owners don't care a single bit what the community here thinks, provided the community continues to attract new hits and thus fills their coffers. That's their choice, and if they are a large company with lots and lots of forums, it may simply be a waste of time and money for them to focus on any one forum. Not agreeing, just sayin'.

Again, if they cared about whether the forum likes jay, then yeah, they might take attitude into consideration. If however they don't care (which precedent again suggests) and they just want someone here who they know and trust to influence the forum for their better interests, then whether or not he trashes various genres or has absolutely no taste in music at all doesn't mean squat.

Salami, Jay(lack of)Credz seems about your age, if not younger.
You and him should totally duke it out for super moderator honours.

Ok look.

If I run a shop that does sales and repairs of items, I hire for sales, or I hire for repairs.

My repair guys aren't visible to the customer. They can be a bit lairy, they can be unkempt occasionally, if they can do the job and aren't so bad in those areas they're unmanageable.

My sales guys on the other hand are the public face and if they look bad, I look bad, my business looks bad and people don't come shopping anymore.

So now I get a new hire.

If he's a sales guy, IE, a public face, then he has a vested and professional interest in not being an arse.

If he's a repairs guy, there's no reason he should be trying his hand at being a public face. Sure, he can go out into the front of shop IF NEEDED, and theres no issue with that if he adopts the sales attitude. If he starts being an arse then there is a problem with that, and as an employer, I'd have to take disciplinary action to stop him from damaging my business.

There is no situation in which I as an employer should be happy to see an employee with a bad attitude in any situation that faces the public. It would reflect badly on me as an employer for allowing it, on him for not being able to tone it down, and isn't good business because it makes people want to leave and it makes people question the rest of the companies competence.

So even if jay's job is just to be a guy behind the scenes, its a 100% reasonable thing to expect that if he makes a contribution to the public facing side of things, he shouldn't be an arse, right?

I think the other aspect of this issue which concerns me is that he has ignored half a dozen posts asking him what exactly he is here to do. Why????

Sounds absolutely reasonable to me!
I'll reply to your message soon by the way.

I think this is really getting out of hand.

No fucking wonder. I'm surprised you're surprised Ped!

This was the meeting that elected Jay(lack of)Credz

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Good lord. Let it go people. There's still absolutely no reason for people to be freaking out.

Totally, I agree entirely, like I said. Thing is:

1) The owners have never in the past shown any interest in putting up a good public face, why should they start now?

2) What we have here is probably more like a repair guy who wanders onto the shop floor every now and then and makes derogatory remarks about the tech savviness of the customers. It pisses off the customers a bit, but they know this is a good repair shop that they've invested a lot of time in, they know that the actual sales guys are really nice, and they're willing to put up with the annoying repair guy because at the end of the day their items get repaired and they aren't bothered finding another good repair shop.

3) The owner of the shop may know the guy that while the guy is an ******* who doesn't help sales, he is pretty damn good at the repairs, and they don't have the time or don't care enough to find someone else who they trust to do the job the way they want it done. In the lack of another option, the ******* is good enough.

He's under absolutely no obligation to tell you anything about what he's here to do. It'd be nice of him, but yeah. None whatsoever. he's here to do a job that he's apparently paid to do. As previously discussed, whether or not the forum likes him doesn't seem to feature, and he's actually been nice enough in this thread considering the fact that he's received a hell of a lot of rage. Can't help a guy for not having any concept of musical taste, it's not a sin. Well, not a mortal sin. It certainly doesn't stop him from doing his job, whatever that may be and whether or not he tells us what that job is also has no effect on whether or not he does it well.

You do realise that every time you say this, everyone who doesn't like jay thinks you're brown nosing, and everyone who agrees with you, still agrees with you?

There's no need to repeat yourself.

If this is in any way directed at me, I apologise immediately - I agree that the disputing concerning this appointment is astonishing, yet I feel natural given the nature of it's announcement.
However, I respect any decision you have made about this.
The above post is true - I suppose there's no reason at all we have to know what the nature of his job actually is. Yet I can't help thinking that it's a really objectionable way of treating us, the style at which his promotion has been announced, and yet completely unwilling to tell us anything at all about the role he will play.

I suppose it's really for the best that way, if we find out, then the likelihood is that we will come up with all sorts of reasons why he shouldn't be in that role.

I feel the need to say it when the thread continues to generate unnecessary drama.

I just have and its basically what I said before, as a newbie he's come off as a bit arrogant and got a few people's backs up, there's nothing offensive in what he has said and he's basically just posted to banter.

As said, he's been modded on the request of the site owners, people really now need to move on and accept things as they are. The negative remarks that I've read on here concerning the decline of the quality of the forum are nothing to do with Jayshreddz, it was going on long before he was appointed all his appointment has done has brought things to a head. Maybe the management need to be addressing this and revamping the forum. I really don't think taking Jayshreddz to task on here is going to solve anything. Man if we were any real community we would be offering him some kind of support here and not shooting him down before he's even started.

1) A group of interacting people, living in some proximity (i.e., in space, time, or relationship). Community usually refers to a social unit larger than a household that shares common values and has social cohesion.

We have that. Thats exactly why this is the reaction.

But surely then it would be reasonable for him to tell us a little bit more about what his actual role is? If he's going to involve himself in the community here then I think we'd appreciate a little more insight into what he's doing, but he's not replied to any of the posts asking him about that.

Man we could sit and debate this, but to be honest I'm still not unconvinced that this is not some April fools joke and the mods next week will break the news to us.

I also share this sentiment.
And I also have a huge amount of work to do tonight, a couple of reviews to put together for my journal, and a special little project I'm starting with Burning Down in mind...

So I suggest that we hold our peace for a little bit, see how this unfolds.

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Maybe it's just how I perceived them, but every post of his I've seen I've chuckled at, I took everything he said to be sarcastic/facetious. His intro thread? ****ing hilarious.
F.Ex:
I took this to be a really funny joke. But I don't know, I tend to think that people are inherently funny. I'm always amazed at how worked up people get over things more or less out of their control. Though I also keep forgetting that the internet is serious business.

I'm still super butthurt over you beating me to 1000 posts. True story.

But look at you now!

Oh man, I'm sorry for assuming the worst .. and thanks :)

I think creating the sort of environment which rewards the behaviour we'd generally like to see is the hardest thing to do around here. I've seen some people asking others to participate more in music discussion or in review threads etc. Of course asking doesn't help. One should change the environment so that people do these things without being asked because they themselves want to do it .. or at least change it so that the people who are interested in such going ons notice them.

It's not that hard to do when you have creative and design control over a website, but when all you have to work with are posts and threads (like we do), it's really hard. F.ex I was hoping that the portal/feed thread would generate more participation in album clubs and review threads which in turn would make those who write reviews and work with album clubs feel more rewarded for the work they put in, but I'm not sure it's really helped much.

Someone should make a thread criticising Pearl Jam to see what happens.

I really like the front page idea. Nice splash page with links to new/hot discussions, what bands are generating the most attention, review of the week, album club info, latest films/tv shows being discussed in the media section (keep non-music related to no more than 1/4 the page). But I understand it's probably not going to happen here. Either way I suppose.

You and me both :)

And no, I'm 99% sure it will never happen here under this management.

Hahah, well it shows you have better shit to do than me :D

Now you're trying to pick a fight.

Don't we already have a Pearl Jam fanclub?

I'm the only official member.

What? PM me the deets or something.

Just to test his suitability as a mod

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I'm starting to think that jayshreddz is a persona created by the administration team. Looking back through his posts so far he is very familiar with the site rules yet his posts seem to have no other purpose than to cause friction. If this character has a "job to do" I don't think it's a technical one, because if he is a technical guy he'd be a lot more mature and smarter. I think the purpose of this is to somehow put this place into perspective or shake the place up.

There are plenty of IT guys who act like 12 year olds man. It's a job that happens to be very conducive to the obsessive but socially inept.

I voted for you, I so would love you to be on the team!

I don't recall anyone ever saying jayshreddz was an IT guy or here for technical purposes. Web developers don't need to be here in the capacity that he is.

jayshredzz just seems right out of South Park, if you want my 2 cents

Referring to his avatar?