Welcome jayshreddz as our newest moderator!

FETCHER. · 03-28-2012, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

For the second time: There is more to the moderation of a forum than being involved in the community and helping its growth. It's great when you have a team which can both "moderate" and help the forum develop, but in my own experience of hiring mods (forum with 6 million posts, 100,000 registered users and 3,000 active users, and a three-tiered team of over 30 moderators, I know what I'm talking about), you can't always get people who have everything.

Satch has said it before, and I know other people have as well - the way mods are recruited on this forum is great, for one aspect of moderation. When it comes to dealing out the letter of the law, it IS harder to be just when you know the people involved. It DOES lead to a group where the "accepted" members of the community receive better treatment than outcasts/newbies. It's generally not intentional, but even the most just of people generate small bias over time.

So Jayshreddz didn't make the best of first impressions. I honestly couldn't care less under the circumstances. he has implied that his job here has nothing to do with what is considered here to be the standard moderating role. There is far, far more to the running of a forum than being well-liked, responsible and contributing. Noone here knows anything about him or his qualifications, so as far as I'm concerned he could be far more qualified for his particular role than any of the volunteer mods here.

Finally, this is presumably a source of income for the owners of the website. Presumably, they want someone they trust relatively involved in the moderating and the development of the site, in order to maximise profit. A random volunteer from the forum isn't going to necessarily have their best interests at heart.

You make no sense to me, in MY opinion moderation should be about encouraging the community to thrive and grow. As for the running of the forum, without responsibility and contribution you may as well get boo boo back on the mod team as far as I'm concerned.

Salami · 03-28-2012, 02:19 PM

I feel that it's worth adding this:

In his introduction thread, I felt like the conversation was going very awkwardly, so I felt like passing a remark about my failure to understand general scorn for country - nothing inflammatory, just something to talk about:

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Originally Posted by Salami

I understand people might not like banjos or certain other instruments such as fiddles that get used a lot, but I still don't get the general unpopularity.
If you're looking for virtuosity, then people such as Chris Thile are among the most talented musicians alive, if you've looking for good songwriting then there are some fantastic artists, particularly the older acts which are incredible.

His reply was the following:

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Originally Posted by jayshreddz

its probably because country sucks. you have to listen to it to truly understand how much it sucks.

This has been picked up on by a few other members - and it's certainly an attitude I'm personally uncomfortable with. I listen to a lot of country and I think I made it fairly obvious. Yet the blanket dismissal of it and saying I didn't know enough to "truly understand" why the music I love "sucks".

Anyway, that itself is really only a minor concern with the way he treats different viewpoints - my next quote is entirely more worrying to me:

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Originally Posted by jayshreddz

what does it take to be a mod here? because i have an idea of where i could merge this [refers to a Classic Rock suggestions thread]. it is in the archive. right above the forum about country, which i completely agree with whoever put it there.

This statement shows clear intent to sideline and ignore what he doesn't like - and I for one think that if he in any way interfered this much with the running of the forum, it would have disastrous consequences.
It's hard to elaborate on this point without falling into the "slippery slope" trap, but I think that if he is really going to be actively involved in the site admin, he really ought not to be permitted to make decisions which effect the rest of as much as this.

I respect that he's entitled to his own opinion, even on how little respect he has for what music we like, but please don't let this manifest itself in him archiving sections we like, closing thread on bands he doesn't approve of or even banning contributing members he doesn't feel are being nice enough to him.

I do agree entirely with what Unknown Soldier said about the fact that he's not been long enough for us to know anything about him, but there is conversely a real danger of giving such authority to someone who knows nothing about the way this forum works.

GuitarBizarre · 03-28-2012, 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

I honestly couldn't care less under the circumstances. he has implied that his job here has nothing to do with what is considered here to be the standard moderating role. There is far, far more to the running of a forum than being well-liked, responsible and contributing. Noone here knows anything about him or his qualifications, so as far as I'm concerned he could be far more qualified for his particular role than any of the volunteer mods here.

1 - Nothing stops them telling us. We are an online discussion forum. The entire point of our existence is to be able to talk to each other. We still have no idea what jay's much touted "job" even is. Not even the mods know. Yac probably does, but he's not telling us. Thats unprofessional as far as I see it. I don't know of any company that does stuff like this, with this "half public, half behind-the-scenes" attitude, and the reason for that is because it looks horrible and sows mistrust, even if the job being done is benign. People like to either be told what is going on, or have it done outright, internally, without being bothered by it.

2 - If he was here just to a do a job, and was hired to do so, professional conduct would be a part of that, no? If I hired an employee and they had Jays grammar and attitude towards...everything, I'd be unhappy. Especially if they took that public when their job has nothing to do with anything of that nature. I know people who have been suspended and officially disciplined by their respective employers for less, because their attitudes and statements were bringing the company into disrepute.

MoonlitSunshine · 03-28-2012, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

You make no sense to me, in MY opinion moderation should be about encouraging the community to thrive and grow. As for the running of the forum, without responsibility and contribution you may as well get boo boo back on the mod team as far as I'm concerned.

That's one aspect of moderation, as I said. perhaps even the main aspect. There is also the control of forum-wide moderation policies, the dealing with higher level changes like the alteration of the forum layout, the banning of spambots (which has been declared by mods as a serious problem), communication with the owners (something which isn't happening at all at the moment, it seems),.... The fact is that only one aspect of moderation, the public face, actually requires the mod to be a healthy contributor. Every other aspect could be done without ever posting in any part of the forum. One doesn't even have to like the forum to be able to do the job, though it does help.

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre

1 - Nothing stops them telling us. We are an online discussion forum. The entire point of our existence is to be able to talk to each other. We still have no idea what jay's much touted "job" even is. Not even the mods know. Yac probably does, but he's not telling us.

That's true, nothing stops them telling us. Except perhaps the fact that they don't deem it necessary on the global scale of things. I agree, I would like to know what they plan and what jayshreddz is here to do, but precedent shows that the owners don't care a single bit what the community here thinks, provided the community continues to attract new hits and thus fills their coffers. That's their choice, and if they are a large company with lots and lots of forums, it may simply be a waste of time and money for them to focus on any one forum. Not agreeing, just sayin'.

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2 - If he was here just to a do a job, and was hired to do so, professional conduct would be a part of that, no? If I hired an employee and they had Jays grammar and attitude towards...everything, I'd be unhappy. Especially if they took that public when their job has nothing to do with anything of that nature. I know people who have been suspended and officially disciplined by their respective employers for less, because their attitudes and statements were bringing the company into disrepute.

Again, if they cared about whether the forum likes jay, then yeah, they might take attitude into consideration. If however they don't care (which precedent again suggests) and they just want someone here who they know and trust to influence the forum for their better interests, then whether or not he trashes various genres or has absolutely no taste in music at all doesn't mean squat.

14232949 · 03-28-2012, 02:34 PM

Salami, Jay(lack of)Credz seems about your age, if not younger.
You and him should totally duke it out for super moderator honours.

GuitarBizarre · 03-28-2012, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

That's one aspect of moderation, as I said. perhaps even the main aspect. There is also the control of forum-wide moderation policies, the dealing with higher level changes like the alteration of the forum layout, the banning of spambots (which has been declared by mods as a serious problem), communication with the owners (something which isn't happening at all at the moment, it seems),.... The fact is that only one aspect of moderation, the public face, actually requires the mod to be a healthy contributor. Every other aspect could be done without ever posting in any part of the forum. One doesn't even have to like the forum to be able to do the job, though it does help.

That's true, nothing stops them telling us. Except perhaps the fact that they don't deem it necessary on the global scale of things. I agree, I would like to know what they plan and what jayshreddz is here to do, but precedent shows that the owners don't care a single bit what the community here thinks, provided the community continues to attract new hits and thus fills their coffers. That's their choice, and if they are a large company with lots and lots of forums, it may simply be a waste of time and money for them to focus on any one forum. Not agreeing, just sayin'.

Again, if they cared about whether the forum likes jay, then yeah, they might take attitude into consideration. If however they don't care (which precedent again suggests) and they just want someone here who they know and trust to influence the forum for their better interests, then whether or not he trashes various genres or has absolutely no taste in music at all doesn't mean squat.

Ok look.

If I run a shop that does sales and repairs of items, I hire for sales, or I hire for repairs.

My repair guys aren't visible to the customer. They can be a bit lairy, they can be unkempt occasionally, if they can do the job and aren't so bad in those areas they're unmanageable.

My sales guys on the other hand are the public face and if they look bad, I look bad, my business looks bad and people don't come shopping anymore.

So now I get a new hire.

If he's a sales guy, IE, a public face, then he has a vested and professional interest in not being an arse.

If he's a repairs guy, there's no reason he should be trying his hand at being a public face. Sure, he can go out into the front of shop IF NEEDED, and theres no issue with that if he adopts the sales attitude. If he starts being an arse then there is a problem with that, and as an employer, I'd have to take disciplinary action to stop him from damaging my business.

There is no situation in which I as an employer should be happy to see an employee with a bad attitude in any situation that faces the public. It would reflect badly on me as an employer for allowing it, on him for not being able to tone it down, and isn't good business because it makes people want to leave and it makes people question the rest of the companies competence.

So even if jay's job is just to be a guy behind the scenes, its a 100% reasonable thing to expect that if he makes a contribution to the public facing side of things, he shouldn't be an arse, right?

Salami · 03-28-2012, 02:40 PM

I think the other aspect of this issue which concerns me is that he has ignored half a dozen posts asking him what exactly he is here to do. Why????

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Originally Posted by mankycaaant

Salami, Jay(lack of)Credz seems about your age, if not younger.
You and him should totally duke it out for super moderator honours.

Sounds absolutely reasonable to me!
I'll reply to your message soon by the way.

Paedantic Basterd · 03-28-2012, 02:42 PM

I think this is really getting out of hand.

FETCHER. · 03-28-2012, 02:43 PM

No fucking wonder. I'm surprised you're surprised Ped!

14232949 · 03-28-2012, 02:45 PM

This was the meeting that elected Jay(lack of)Credz

03-28-2012, 02:34 PM	#245 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	Salami, Jay(lack of)Credz seems about your age, if not younger. You and him should totally duke it out for super moderator honours.

03-28-2012, 02:42 PM	#248 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I think this is really getting out of hand.

03-28-2012, 02:45 PM	#250 (permalink)
14232949 The Big Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Scotland Posts: 1,989	This was the meeting that elected Jay(lack of)Credz