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Howard the Duck 03-27-2012 09:22 AM

^^but can you pee standing up?

FETCHER. 03-27-2012 09:25 AM

I am Kesus, I can do anything my child.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Howard the Duck (Post 1170106)
^^his name is Jason

and apparently, he can play the guitar quite fast

I shall outshred him. I have the technology.

James 03-27-2012 09:50 AM

This is hilarious. I was certain he was a troll too.

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 10:43 AM

This welcome is nearly as warm as mine was.

Key 03-27-2012 10:51 AM

He didn't even comment on my recommendation for Rick Astley :( A warm welcome is the LAST thing i'm giving him!

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170137)
This welcome is nearly as warm as mine was.

This isn't exactly one page worth of "Wait, who are you?" followed by ten pages of congratulations, which is what happened to you.




The reaction here is more along the lines of
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-gCLizXbcVn...ou-do-that.jpg

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1170152)
This isn't exactly one page worth of "Wait, who are you?" followed by ten pages of congratulations, which is what happened to you.

Don't forget the following 3-5 pages of "Who the fuck do you THINK you are?" :laughing:

Jesus, the things you miss when you're away for a few days. Big changes indeed.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170153)
Don't forget the following 3-5 pages of "Who the fuck do you THINK you are?" :laughing:

lol, I just read that thread and I didn't see anything like that at all.

Apart from s_k, who is...well. He's s_k.


Plus, your very first thread, in introductions? Nothing but people saying "YOU SEEM COOL, JOIN US"

Jayshreddz first thread in introductions? Nothing but sarcasm and people making light of how narrowminded he is towards other musical genres. Like the entirety of the 60s. And Country. And Bluegrass. And...actually, lets just leave it there. I don't think I can muster up the will to list all of the genres he's made blanket negative statements about since he joined without being able to once provide a coherent argument to bolster his credibility.

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 11:42 AM

A word of advice for now: It may be wise of everyone to suppress disagreement, at least until you find out how your new moderator handles it...

I say this for you guys. That is all.

Key 03-27-2012 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170164)
A word of advice for now: It may be wise of everyone to suppress disagreement, at least until you find out how your new moderator handles it...

So basically, watch out for a power hungry member on our backs when he arrives? Gotcha.

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 11:46 AM

The rules are definitely being pushed in here by a couple of people, and I don't want to see that come to abuse. From anyone.

Key 03-27-2012 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170167)
The rules are definitely being pushed in here by a couple of people, and I don't want to see that come to abuse. From anyone.

Fair enough.

In the spirit of the thread, welcome to you jayshreddz, you'll do a fine job.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170167)
The rules are definitely being pushed in here by a couple of people, and I don't want to see that come to abuse. From anyone.

Just know that if I suddenly disappear, it won't have been the chinese government.

Salami 03-27-2012 11:58 AM

But his confidence that what I listen to is "crap" was astonishing - never have I seen such conviction before. I mean - I thought I knew a fair bit about country, but he told me that I "haven't heard enough" to know it's crap. That must mean that his musical experience is far greater than mine.

Also, he lovingly referred to me as "that chick". Talking to his humble subjects in such a tone singled him out for authority immediately in my opinion.

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1170170)
Just know that if I suddenly disappear, it won't have been the chinese government.

It's not going to come to that, for anyone, unless they earn it.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 12:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170179)
It's not going to come to that, for anyone, unless they earn it.

Ah, wonderful.

Phantom Limb 03-27-2012 12:05 PM

Why?

Goofle 03-27-2012 12:08 PM

I would like to nominate myself for any future vacancies. I already moderate a forum with over 400 active members.

Paedantic Basterd 03-27-2012 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Phantom Limb (Post 1170181)
Why?

Who the administration hires as paid moderators of their websites has never been decided upon by the volunteer staff. Typically these moderators work across a number of websites. It's been no secret that the number of bots coming out of China have been overwhelming the userlist in the last four-six months, and these can only be dealt with by a moderator/administrator of Yac's permission level; unfortunately, Yac can't be here as often as we'd hope. As for why Jay was selected in particular, I think that's a question for him to respond to.

Phantom Limb 03-27-2012 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian (Post 1170184)
Who the administration hires as paid moderators of their websites has never been decided upon by the volunteer staff. Typically these moderators work across a number of websites. It's been no secret that the number of bots coming out of China have been overwhelming the userlist in the last four-six months, and these can only be dealt with by a moderator/administrator of Yac's permission level; unfortunately, Yac can't be here as often as we'd hope. As for why Jay was selected in particular, I think that's a question for him to respond to.

Alright, that's cool then.

Salami 03-27-2012 01:02 PM

When jayshreddz reads through this, I think he ought to know just how great a privilege the owners have given him. There are people, wonderful contributors such as Canwll Corfe, Unknown Soldier, James and GuitarBizzare who've got thousands of posts, been here for years yet have never been modded.
I think jay ought to know that his promotion is a great honour for him, and a reflection of just how much his first week here has impressed them.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Salami (Post 1170197)
When jayshreddz reads through this, I think he ought to know just how great a privilege the owners have given him. There are people, wonderful contributors such as Canwll Corfe, Unknown Soldier, James and GuitarBizzare who've got thousands of posts, been here for years yet have never been modded.
I think jay ought to know that his promotion is a great honour for him, and a reflection of just how much his first week here has impressed them.

Conan once remarked that he was sure I'd be a mod if it weren't for me being so abrasive.

Frankly, I think that reason is a good one for why I'm not a mod. I have no real problems with that. In fact, if a modship were offered I'm not sure I'd go for it because it would mean toning that part of my personality down.

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:10 PM

I don't get the feeling he's here to enjoy a privilege. It seems he's here for a specific reason, of which having moderation tools is a necessity. Whether he uses them to police the forum is up to him, but I don't think he came here to the forum thinking "oh man I really wanna mod here and feel important!" like I've seen here in the past.

Also, you should be aware that when the mod team picks a new mod, it's not dependent on how many posts someone has, nor how long they are here. If we collectively feel like the individual would make a good addition to the team, and there is evidence for it, then that is the reason by which we make our selection.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1170202)
Also, you should be aware that when the mod team picks a new mod, it's not dependent on how many posts someone has, nor how long they are here. If we collectively feel like the individual would make a good addition to the team, and there is evidence for it, then that is the reason by which we make our selection.

Which in this case is a process that didn't happen.

Salami 03-27-2012 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1170201)
Conan once remarked that he was sure I'd be a mod if it weren't for me being so abrasive.

Frankly, I think that reason is a good one for why I'm not a mod. I have no real problems with that. In fact, if a modship were offered I'm not sure I'd go for it because it would mean toning that part of my personality down.

I think the idea of being impartial works both ways, treating everyone with equal cynicism works just as well as being nice to everyone, if not better. All the rage I see from you is usually righteous anger, which I think is a great quality. I don't understand some of it, but you'd certainly be on the list if I compiled it.
And I think the first conversation here we ever had was you accusing me of trolling :)

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1170203)
Which in this case is a process that didn't happen.

That's because the mod team did not pick jayshreddz. That happened above our level of authority.

GuitarBizarre 03-27-2012 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1170205)
That's because the mod team did not pick jayshreddz. That happened above our level of authority.

I know, I'm not placing any blame on any of the mod team here, I just think that point is important to why this reaction is the way it is. Not only does jays personality conflict with a lot of people, (In fact, the majority of people) but also, he was given power that is totally inconsistent with the expectations of the community regards new moderators - mainly, that there is an expectation of someone having been around a reasonable (though variable) length of time and having formed some sort of mutually positive casual relationship with the members here.

Sparky 03-27-2012 01:19 PM

Jayshreddz is the first mod I like on this site in quite some time, im happy for him.

Salami 03-27-2012 01:21 PM

To be honest, I agree that post count and join date count for nothing, but surely the dedication and commitment the above named posters is considerable? The quality of what they right is extremely high, and they treat this forum very seriously.
Obviously, GB and Canwll Corfe do not wish to moderate here, which is fair enough. But there are definitely plenty of similar cases, surely?

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Originally Posted by GuitarBizarre (Post 1170206)
I know, I'm not placing any blame on any of the mod team here, I just think that point is important to why this reaction is the way it is. Not only does jays personality conflict with a lot of people, (In fact, the majority of people) but also, he was given power that is totally inconsistent with the expectations of the community regards new moderators - mainly, that there is an expectation of someone having been around a reasonable (though variable) length of time and having formed some sort of mutually positive casual relationship with the members here.

If the decision s actually serious, then this is absolutely true.
I for instance would have no objection to someone new-ish like Frownland or Goofle made mod because they are respectful, universally liked and very good members in every way.

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:32 PM

Where was the outrage when the new management took over and Yac was made our on-site admin? He hadn't posted at all, had no history with the community, etc. Although, he turned out to be a great admin and a likable guy, we don't really have the option as community members and community leaders to dictate what the standards are for upper management's choice of people they decide to send here.

While I certainly wish they had chosen someone with... a bit more tact... it's not for me to assert that they need to adhere to our standards as members of a community they're not even personally a part of. We just have to suck it up and hope this turns out for the best.

MoonlitSunshine 03-27-2012 01:38 PM

If he's here as a paid mod, the chances are they're not expecting him to be a "moderator" as part of the community in the same way as the volunteer staff are - there are many aspects of running a forum, and being a friendly neutral(ish) mediator is only one of them. If his position involves other stuff and hey, if he helps increase the communication between the volunteer mods on behalf of the community and the owners regarding changes that we would like to see in the site, then I welcome his appointment.

We should wait and see what he actually does before we decide that he isn't the right person for the job - he may well have very narrow-minded opinions about music (I haven't met the guy yet, so I wouldn't know), but that doesn't necessarily make him bad at whatever his particular job will be.

Sparky 03-27-2012 01:38 PM

Hope it turns out for the best?

I don't know why y'all are so pessimistic about this, this is great news. This site has gotten so uppity and elitest it's unbearable. I think this will be a great for bringing in casual listeners, I personally can't wait for the new Pearl Jam subsection.

Guybrush 03-27-2012 01:40 PM

This does not seem to have been professionally handled. If someone was to come in here as a super mod by the power of the administration for whatever reason, then I would like to be informed that it was going to happen beforehand. Then I would've liked that person to be someone making an effort to be approachable, sociable, who would tell us why he/she is here and generally act with some kind of professionalism.

Instead, we get someone who, judging from his intro thread, seems like a bit of a tit. I could be wrong - I don't know Jay, but that's the impression I got. The whole thing just looks a bit emberassing to me.

Does this mean Administration takes an interest in the quality of the site .. or not?

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1170214)
Hope it turns out for the best?

I don't know why y'all are so pessimistic about this, this is great news. This site has gotten so uppity and elitest it's unbearable. I think this will be a great for bringing in casual listeners, I personally can't wait for the new Pearl Jam subsection.

:laughing:

Key 03-27-2012 01:41 PM

Im still thinking this is a joke. Considering april fools day and all.

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tore (Post 1170215)
This does not seem to have been professionally handled. If someone was to come in here as a super mod by the power of the administration for whatever reason, then I would like to be informed that it was going to happen beforehand. Then I would've liked that person to be someone making an effort to be approachable, sociable, who would tell us why he/she is here and generally act with some kind of professionalism.

Instead, we get someone who, judging from his intro thread, seems like a bit of a tit. I could be wrong - I don't know Jay, but that's the impression I got. The whole thing just looks a bit emberassing to me.

Does this mean Administration takes an interest in the quality of the site .. or not?

Honestly, the stuff that got turned down by the administration when you were with us campaigning for it should be a clear indicator that this is maybe part of a larger operation and not really focused on us as a forum. Maybe they had very few people they could trust, and sent them out to all the different sites they own, as part of some larger reconnaissance thing.

Who knows, they could be in the process of cutting their losses or something. While I wouldn't freak out at the moment, I also wouldn't get my hopes up for anything spectacular...

anticipation 03-27-2012 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1170210)
Where was the outrage when the new management took over and Yac was made our on-site admin? He hadn't posted at all, had no history with the community, etc. Although, he turned out to be a great admin and a likable guy, we don't really have the option as community members and community leaders to dictate what the standards are for upper management's choice of people they decide to send here.

For as long as I've been here, Yac has been the de-facto administrative mod. He didn't have a history with the community per se, but at least he wasn't blatantly trolling the boards. Yac predates current management, and in my eyes has never steered this site wrong. I've never once worried about mb turning into a bastion for ignorance and favoritism under his stewardship, like I do now.

Freebase Dali 03-27-2012 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milano (Post 1170217)
Im still thinking this is a joke. Considering april fools day and all.

If that's true, then the joke is being played on all of us, and it just doesn't seem like something the administration would do when they don't even care enough to put in basic anti-spam measures.

Key 03-27-2012 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Freebase Dali (Post 1170221)
If that's true, then the joke is being played on all of us, and it just doesn't seem like something the administration would do when they don't even care enough to put in basic anti-spam measures.

I suppose that's true. It just seems like a strange coincidence. I could easily be making some false assumptions and I don't want to sound rude whilst making them, but then again, it's still too early to tell.


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