Create a Music Subsection

VEGANGELICA · 02-24-2012, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Salami

The trouble is, you don't have to post every time you're on here. If you hide a certain section people like, it won't force them to do anything. We'll just log off immediately.
The only productive varient of this idea is to temporarily close the lounge, which there's not really any harm in doing for a week or so.

I'd stay just to watch your avatar.

Salami · 02-24-2012, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

I'd stay just to watch your avatar.

I knew someone here might chuckle at Rob and Prince's antics...

I personally don't get a lot of what goes on in the Lounge. Why is there a "Bitch Box" when there's a "Your Day" thread? What's the difference?
And a "Who gives a f*ck" thread. They all seem to be outlets for complaining, important, I know, but why so many?

FETCHER. · 02-24-2012, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by VEGANGELICA

Well, *I* felt your thread was funny and that you were being humorous in a non-hostile, non-critical way.

I think being a lounge lizard is cool. I once started a thread here about music. I think it was about the Black Eyed Peas, because I believe the label of "music" should not be applied to whatever it is that they're making.

^ This. Let's figure out how to do this: force members into dead forums. I don't know how exactly, but it would be a new twist that you wouldn't expect at a music forum: "Look, you joined, now you have to post in [insert specific music forum], or you die. You've gotta make 15 posts per week, or else. Go!"

Here's a possibility. Every once in a while we should have the mods hide a whole forum (like General Music), and see what happens. That would be one way to force people into other forums...even electronica!

Just imagine: one crisp, Scottish morning, Kayleigh will visit MusicBanter and see that HOLY SHIT, the only music forum available to post in is electronica!!! "Oh happy day!"

Erica, you're amazing. You've got to be the only member's long posts I can read and enjoy (no joke). Now that would be a very happy day for me but my perfect forums would be overrun by people crying about the other ones haha.

"One crisp, Scottish morning"

TheBig3 · 02-24-2012, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

There's nothing really here for people who can only spend a little hour on MB, if wasn't for me being jobless and having so much time to post I'd be able to do ****all because the Electronica forum is dead and there's nothing either one of us can do to help that, except force members in.

One way to enhance posting in the "Electronica Forum" is to combine it with a more active forum. Country/World Music/Folk isn't exactly booming, but its much better than when they were 3 forums on their own.

50% of the game is visibility. So if you put Electronica in with Indie and moved Alternative up to Rock & Metal (maybe give it another subsection) you'd have a more appropriate placement for things and you'd gin up a lot more traffic into forums that could use some love.

As for the apologies, Sparky, I've apologized, some of them have apologized. We all over react. I'm still not sure how some folks took me the way they did but its water under the bridge. And Burning Down...girl you know I'll always love you.

VEGANGELICA · 02-24-2012, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Aurora

Now that would be a very happy day for me but my perfect forums would be overrun by people crying about the other ones haha.

"One crisp, Scottish morning"

Just so you know, that frisking doggy is supposed to be a Scottish terrier dancing a jig, but I was not implying that *you* are a dog...not like I did in that Fake Argument Thread long ago.

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

One way to enhance posting in the "Electronica Forum" is to combine it with a more active forum. Country/World Music/Folk isn't exactly booming, but its much better than when they were 3 forums on their own.

I think we should merge Classical with Electronica. Then people would visit the forum just because they'd be thinking, "What the heck??" and get stuck there, enamored by its peculiarity. Put it up above "General Music," too. That would help.

FETCHER. · 02-25-2012, 06:29 AM

haha, you called me a dog? you bitch.

kidding on, I had no idea that was supposed to be a dog to be honest haha.

Guybrush · 02-25-2012, 06:49 AM

Funny joke with a good point even if it's not done in a constructive way. I did have a problem with music discussion on MB as I worked really hard to keep something like a prog community going, for example with the prog & fusion album club which was basically meant to facilitate discussion. It worked, a bit, but nowhere as much as I hoped and in the end, the return didn't feel worth the investment. After I'd had that feeling for what felt like a very long time, I finally gave up.

I realized it's not entirely MB's fault. Although I consider my tastes to be fairly broad, when it comes to the music I am most passionate about, I feel quite lonely here. I still do, just take a look at the Canterbury Week thread which is now starting to look like a monologue. It's just hard to change people who are not interested in it into people who are interested. Too hard, really! It's not like you can expect/require people to change their tastes for you.

So, for practical purposes, MB is for discussing some music, but not all of music. Smaller subcommunities of interested people, like the prog community, are very small and vulnerable. If there's nothing going on, then newcomers interested in that sort of music will find less reason to stick around. They die off and MB loses some variety. Hence, I've figured it's probably better to find a classical forum if you want to discuss classical or a prog forum if you want to discuss Zeuhl, etc. I'm not happy about that, but I feel like I've accepted it.

Those people whose favourite sort of music is discussed here should join an album club, both to discuss their favourites and to help make sure their favourites are discussed in the future.

Paedantic Basterd · 02-25-2012, 10:55 AM

Ah, I can't speak for everyone Tore, but I think a lot of us are totally willing to listen to new music. The problem is that there's so much of it that getting acquainted with the fundamentals of even one new genre takes a load of time. I'm knee deep in psychedelic pop at the moment. I'd love to have a good idea of what Canterbury is about, but I've got so much on my plate as it is that it would be slow going if I started somewhere else.

Guybrush · 02-25-2012, 12:21 PM

I'm not criticizing people's willingness to get into new stuff. I'm not particularly quick or willing when it comes to that sort of stuff myself. I just wanted to write a little bit about my feelings regarding MB as a place to discuss music. It's obvious that the community as a whole are interested in some kinds of music more than others and it may be better to just accept that rather than let it frustrate you or even spend your energy working against it.

That last bit seems a bit cynical and the reason I feel that way is I believe many of those who put a lot of work into the site writing about niche stuff which is not already popular on MB feel like they don't get much in return for their work. F.ex I doubt anyone trying to do a New Country album club would find it rewarding. It's just how it is - you can't blame people for not loving and wanting to discuss Garth Brooks (ex). I definitely admire people for trying though!

TheBig3 · 02-25-2012, 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by tore

I'm not criticizing people's willingness to get into new stuff. I'm not particularly quick or willing when it comes to that sort of stuff myself. I just wanted to write a little bit about my feelings regarding MB as a place to discuss music. It's obvious that the community as a whole are interested in some kinds of music more than others and it may be better to just accept that rather than let it frustrate you or even spend your energy working against it.

That last bit seems a bit cynical and the reason I feel that way is I believe many of those who put a lot of work into the site writing about niche stuff which is not already popular on MB feel like they don't get much in return for their work. F.ex I doubt anyone trying to do a New Country album club would find it rewarding. It's just how it is - you can't blame people for not loving and wanting to discuss Garth Brooks (ex). I definitely admire people for trying though!

I want to say two things about this:

1. Garth Brooks has a new country album?

2. Its not just that I feel a lot of people aren't willing to try new music, but instead rather post in a Current events section. Which was the point of this thread that everyone seemed to miss. MB has become a place that has a more active lounge than a music forums (imo) so its more like TopicBanter with a music subsection.

I don't really know why the "people work hard!" talking points got trotted out since I wasn't attacking anyone for that. I've put in a lot of work to this site; I'm aware of what people can do. But that isn't what I was saying. My question is and has been "Why do you skip a thread that has a Youtube embred (so you're doing 0 work) and go post in the "What does your **** look like after you eat corn" thread.

02-25-2012, 06:49 AM	#57 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	Funny joke with a good point even if it's not done in a constructive way. I did have a problem with music discussion on MB as I worked really hard to keep something like a prog community going, for example with the prog & fusion album club which was basically meant to facilitate discussion. It worked, a bit, but nowhere as much as I hoped and in the end, the return didn't feel worth the investment. After I'd had that feeling for what felt like a very long time, I finally gave up. I realized it's not entirely MB's fault. Although I consider my tastes to be fairly broad, when it comes to the music I am most passionate about, I feel quite lonely here. I still do, just take a look at the Canterbury Week thread which is now starting to look like a monologue. It's just hard to change people who are not interested in it into people who are interested. Too hard, really! It's not like you can expect/require people to change their tastes for you. So, for practical purposes, MB is for discussing some music, but not all of music. Smaller subcommunities of interested people, like the prog community, are very small and vulnerable. If there's nothing going on, then newcomers interested in that sort of music will find less reason to stick around. They die off and MB loses some variety. Hence, I've figured it's probably better to find a classical forum if you want to discuss classical or a prog forum if you want to discuss Zeuhl, etc. I'm not happy about that, but I feel like I've accepted it. Those people whose favourite sort of music is discussed here should join an album club, both to discuss their favourites and to help make sure their favourites are discussed in the future. __________________ Something Completely Different

02-25-2012, 12:21 PM	#59 (permalink)
Guybrush Juicious Maximus III Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Scabb Island Posts: 6,525	I'm not criticizing people's willingness to get into new stuff. I'm not particularly quick or willing when it comes to that sort of stuff myself. I just wanted to write a little bit about my feelings regarding MB as a place to discuss music. It's obvious that the community as a whole are interested in some kinds of music more than others and it may be better to just accept that rather than let it frustrate you or even spend your energy working against it. That last bit seems a bit cynical and the reason I feel that way is I believe many of those who put a lot of work into the site writing about niche stuff which is not already popular on MB feel like they don't get much in return for their work. F.ex I doubt anyone trying to do a New Country album club would find it rewarding. It's just how it is - you can't blame people for not loving and wanting to discuss Garth Brooks (ex). I definitely admire people for trying though! __________________ Something Completely Different

02-25-2012, 10:55 AM	#58 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	Ah, I can't speak for everyone Tore, but I think a lot of us are totally willing to listen to new music. The problem is that there's so much of it that getting acquainted with the fundamentals of even one new genre takes a load of time. I'm knee deep in psychedelic pop at the moment. I'd love to have a good idea of what Canterbury is about, but I've got so much on my plate as it is that it would be slow going if I started somewhere else.