VEGANGELICA

Love-song also adds lyrics, selects appropriate threads for the songs she posts, and publicly replied to me when I commented on one of her love songs.

If you feel hurt that someone is mostly just posting videos, if it makes you feel that the person isn't being friendly or open, then I recommend you tell the person by PM rather than decide her posts are "Spam" and talk about her behind her back in a thread like this one. Have you ever tried to converse with her, Freebase?

I doubt Love-song will be inspired to communicate more of her thoughts to people at MusicBanter when a moderator down here in the Lounge is referring to her 400 posts as Spam and ignoring that she does more than just post youtube vids. I feel it is cool that she enjoys and is able to find so many songs about love. Kinda inspiring. I also feel that her videos show her feelings and interests without needing words to explain them.

Ah. As long as we post a video with " :/ " we will be "safe."

Perhaps we can all just use emoticons after we post videos, then MB will be "spam"-free!

I noticed that, too.

I really like the "What Are You Listening To Right Now II" thread because you can quickly hear the variety of songs to which members are listening. This gives you a feel for the breadth of their musical tastes and may introduce you to new music.

I thought one accepted reason to come to MB was to find new music and learn about other people's musical interests. If a member posts only or primarily youtube videos without commentary, those purposes are served.

If MB were going to say that posting youtube videos by themselves will be considered spamming, then threads shouldn't be created that invite members to do so:

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Neither of the ones mentioned so far were.

And I know get you off on being the voice of the oppressed so I can assure you this thread is nothing more than gauging forum opinion on something that some people feel is an increasing problem and a discussion about it.

There are some people here who think that holding some kind of standards here and not allowing some of the rubbish that plagues other forums is the way this forum should be, I don't see anything wrong with that.

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skaltezon

Then I'll spell it out for you: Batlord asked you what was wrong with simply posting videos in 'Youtube threads and What Are You Currently Listening To threads'. You replied that those threads don't matter because they aren't in the Music Forums. I'm telling you this because your statement to Batlord is incorrect. Am I clear enough now?

Exactly right.

Urban Hat€monger ?

and i'll spell it out to you

The reason those threads you highlighted are in the music forum is was because they were intended to have DISCUSSION in them, and the fact that some people are just going in there and just posting videos is what people are getting annoyed about.

Clear now?

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Engine

Here's What I'm Listening to Right Now II.
I think it's a super-cool song that everybody should hear. Discuss.

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Like an arrow,
I was only passing through.

VEGANGELICA

My point is that when I read Jackhammer's OP for the "What Are You Listening To Right Now II" thread in the music forum, I interpret it as saying that people need to post a video, but adding a few lines about the video is preferred yet not REQUIRED, because he uses the word "maybe" and follows that up with a "?" to show this is a suggestion, not a requirement:

You shouldn't fault people for following directions. If you want people to do something, you have to be clear in the original post.

I don't see anything wrong with discussing standards, either. I just don't see posting youtube videos as "rubbish."

And yes, it does bother me when moderators fault people for doing something (posting youtube videos without commentary) when those people are just following directions. Calling their posts "rubbish" is pretty harsh.

I prefer people to share their views about music videos by writing about them, because I like to hear their thoughts. I just don't feel there needs to be an across-the-board rule that they *have* to. I'd rather that we lead by example, rather than force people to spew up words (or a :/ ) after posting a video.

If you want to make it one of the official rules that people may never post a video by itself, then I am not opposed to that, as long as the rule is stated in the official site rules. However, I think it will be incredibly difficult to police, because people will just start complying by saying, "I like this video." That would count as commentary, wouldn't it?

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Freebase Dali

I'm not hurt about it. I'm just explaining my position and used her well-known activities as a reference.
Anyway, we contacted her about it previously, and she simply stopped doing it in the one thread, and moved it to others. All we asked is that she put some banter and effort into it, like we ask of any person on these forums posting about music.

In my opinion, it's less about the action of a single person posting a vid with no personal input behind it, and more about the quality of the forum, as a whole, in regard to what we all deem acceptable.

I'm not going to go around and delete posts in the music sections that have just Youtube videos in them. But I do support the idea that we have a basic level of expectation when it comes to posts about music. If there's a thread expressing no need to do anything else but post Youtube videos/music videos, that's fine with me.
But I certainly don't think that should be a standard applied in every thread.

VEGANGELICA

I agree.

Freebase, I was thinking more last night about why I am bothered by the idea of requiring members who prefer posting youtube videos to make personal statements about their feelings.

In addition to what Stu says above, I don't like the way people are targeting certain members as potential spammers, with you giving Love-song as an example, when those members *have* contributed more than just youtube videos and are also people I like. So when I see Urban referring to their posts as "rubbish" and others calling what they contribute "spam," that bothers me.

I'm concerned that if you are holding people and their posts on trial, judging the quality of their contributions, then you may not be reading *all* their posts and thus may by judging them unfairly.

For example, below are some posts where Love-song *did* post more than just a video:

Love-song shares her life philosophy and musical interests in the following post, which she wrote in reply to one of mine. If you want to learn what Love-song says about herself and music, then you should make sure to read this:

She is sharing her love and her philosophy of life with MusicBanter by sharing the music that moves her profoundly. I don't feel that there is any greater contribution that someone *could* make on a forum.

Love-song's above post was in response to the following one I made, where I stated my opinion that most love songs, such as one she had posted prior to mine, are too simplistic: http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1020544

Here Love-song again responded to one of my posts:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1026502

Love-song responded to me yet again in the next post. She wrote, "Thank you...Vegangelica...and Bryan...for such a Beautiful song..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1021105

In this post she responded to comments made by Dj and Il Duce:
She posted a video in honor of another member who loves the song:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/27983...ml#post1011976

In this post, Love-song responded to a preceding one by Phanastasio by writing:
Additional posts where Love-song gave commentary along with vidoes:

In the following post, Love-song wrote a lot about a musician:
Love-song wrote a short music review: "...Le Noise is wonderful...a man and his guitars...from soft acoustic...to rockin' electric...beautiful album..."
http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1011221

http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1053573

http://www.musicbanter.com/classical...ml#post1034510

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1032960

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1029938

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029932

The following post appears to have been inspired by the one by another member preceding it:
http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1029235

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1028658

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/55303...ml#post1027326

http://www.musicbanter.com/pop/31425...ml#post1016498

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014943

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1014915

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1011354

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1010657

http://www.musicbanter.com/jazz-blue...ml#post1008113

http://www.musicbanter.com/rock-n-ro...ml#post1005570

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...tml#post996785

Here she posted a comment *without* a video!
http://www.musicbanter.com/country-f...ml#post1002795

Finally, evidence that she puts effort into her posts, even if she isn't directly commenting on the videos:

http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...ml#post1035352

It takes time and concentration to build a post with that many youtube videos of "Amazing Grace" covers, each accompanied by excerpts from the lyrics.

I could go on and on because she has made comments in many additional posts.

My point is that Love-song *has* contributed to MusicBanter, and so I feel it is unfair to single her out publicly as a "non-contributor" who is just "spamming."

Love-song does no harm to others. She shares from her own life. She shares the music she loves. She responds to members. She is NEVER hurtful to other members. So I feel it is inappropriate that the moderators respond by questioning whether her posts should be here at MusicBanter.

Making an example of Love-song as the type of poster whose posts you might want to get rid of is MUCH worse than anything Love-song has ever posted, in my opinion.

I wish Love-song well. She hasn't posted in a while and given how few people seemed to appreciate her posts, I'm not surprised. It's a shame, though, because I feel you are overlooking people's contributions and may be driving nice people away by telling them their posts aren't "up to standards."

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Urban Hat€monger ?

That's just too bad.

I'm not against people posting videos, It would be nice if they told us why they've decided to post it though.
Otherwise if you just want to post endless videos for the sake of posting them, although why anyone would want to is beyond me. then they are free to do it as they please in the areas of the forum where their post count represents how much effort they put into the site. I.E. none.

I just think that in the actual music forums things should be moderated a bit more tighter and posts with no content should be discouraged.

I would also like to see Yac limit the number of youtube videos per post to 2.
That was if someone does want to post about 20 youtube videos in a row we CAN ban them from spamming.

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