Should Boo boo get parole?
 

In a recent talk with Boo boo, he informed me that he is willing to behave and wants to come back to MusicBanter and join us in bantering.

I for one think he deserves a second chance. Who is with me!? :)

EDIT BY CONAN:

Alright, let's get a little project going, eh? Let me make this clear that this chart won't change anything - but perhaps will just give us all a little more clear a perspective.

Boo Boo's Parole

Pros

Cons

Legitimate entries will be added to the list.

AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

No.

First, he's well past the 2nd chance. He's honestly probably closer to 10.

Secondly, why? Has the Prog forum been less hoppin?

No one thats ever perma-banned comes back with a new attitude. You know why theres only ever been 3 who've had to ask, because everyone else who posts here isn't enough of a raging **** to get perma-banned in the first place.

He's had emotional barriers since he showed up here. He once got pissed at me and thought I hated him because of a fight over Sting. STING! I had to be told by another poster that he was even upset in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, the guy could be alright when he wanted to be. I liked his opinion, but for ****s sake, I think we've had enough.

I think he's a nice guy, I think he's funny, I think he contributes to the forum at least more then fucking guitarbizzarre, and I think the reason he was banned was outlandish to begin with. Everybody fights in the shoutbox, its really not that big of a deal.
And I think if upon his return he gets harassed, you should give warnings to said harassers.

Well... I don't know him aside from what I've heard of him. He seemed to have a good taste in music, and from his posts that I've come across he doesn't seem too bad. Personally, I believe in allowing people another chance, but then again I don't know enough about this to really give a decent answer. I think it would be interesting to see what would happen if someone could put him on "parole" (if that's possible - for all I know, terminating a ban may not be an option).

Yes, it has. It's for the most part just Tore with Skaligojurah and myself occasionally dropping in (along with a few others).

EDIT: Didn't see the poll. Voted 'yes'...

Boo Boo should get a social life.

Sick burn.

I voted Yes

Not a reason.

I voted yes and he better not make me feel sorry about that.
I like what I've seen so far.

What is this ? Some kind of pressure on mods to unban boo boo? I don't think it should work that way. I haven't been modded yet when boo boo got banned, but I understand that he has been given more chances than anyone else on this site. That's why I think it's important not to compromise in this case, but to go with one year ban all the way through. He'll be back, he's not permabanned.

Cry some more. Your tears taste like gumdrops and your impotent rage tastes like sherbet.

The question in these cases probably is, and I'm just speculating here;
CAN BooBoo change his behaviour?
If he can't, should the mods ban him forever, or should the forum learn to live with him?

He already had like 10 bannings, and countless warnings. The thing that got him his years ban was an argument in the shoutbox where he specifically made light of his unwarranted sense of invulnerability from the due process of moderation. He laughed at the mods being weak in terms of their treatment and specifically stated that if he got another temp ban he wouldn't change his behaviour at all.

That led to him being given a years ban. If we let him back early, those mods are just playing into exactly what boobs was banned for making light of.

Haha, as much as I am curious about BooBoo, I keep saying: No ban but a permanent ban.
What's the use of 10 bans?
Ah well, I hope he gets back soon. Been hearing a lot about him.

Theres just over 200 days left on his ban, IIRC. I for one hope the mod team follow through on what they started, rather than backpedalling. There was a similar discussion that ran dozens of pages when he was first banned and it contained much the same sentiment, was full of people accusing the mods of everything short of powertripping and generally achieved very little in the way of legitimate reasoning for not following through on the ban.

Who are you calling impotent?
I'm virile as hell.

Sorry Anteater, but this thread should never have been made.
Firstly, I'm sure the decision to ban boo boo wasn't taken lightly.
Secondly, it won't be his second chance.
More importantly, he won't change.
He never will.
Even boo boo knows that.

On the internet.

If you're flaming in the shoutbox, it is a big deal. It's a ban worthy offense and Boo Boo had been given multiple... multiple... MULTIPLE chances to clean up his act. He knew better.

Always liked Boobs, was my favorite mod at one point. But I don't think a parole is likely.

RT sums it up nicely.

Wasn't meant to be. I was just answering your (sarcastic?) question.

In my round-about way of reasoning (which always pissed Boo Boo off) I was asking "what is our benefit, as a community, with him coming back?"

Voted yes. He's a nice guy. All the mods saying "it goes against policy" etc. need to remember this is the internet. This is called Music Banter, why isn't banter allowed? Loosen up, let him back, it'll be fun and if anything bad happens just reban him. Not like it takes very long.

None of the mods have said it goes against policy. The closest we've come is one mod saying that the decision wasn't undertaken lightly and that boo boo won't change.

Oh, I see. Well, that makes sense. I guess his coming back would benefit me though (as well as Tore who's a huge prog fanatic). :D

It was an example. Way to prove my point about people taking things too seriously.

James, I was against the initial banning of boo boo and I was wrong.
I was wrong because like all the other non mods we didn't have the full picture.
Take a look at the votes so far. 2 are from current mods and another 2 from previous mods, all who have had experience with boo boo on a moderator level.
I doubt you'll ever see a current mod, or an ex mod who has dealt with boo boo in the past vote for his return.
And with good reason.

Well thats just it. With all apologies to the 4 of you who post in there, the rest of us aren't up for enduring about tantrum about whether women should vote in elections of bake apple pie just so you can get a 5th perspective on whether or not Rick Wakeman was better than Edgar Winter.

I guess I can see that, but I still think he should be allowed back. What's the worse that could happen? Especially if you stress to him that he'll be permabanned on the spot.

I agree with James.
The reason? Why NOT?

Regarding the (multiple?) encounters with GuitarBizarre: Look at him. Does GB really seem torn up over anything boo boo said to him? He's GLOATING. I think letting them fight is......not a very big deal.

Y'all are taking this a bit too seriously. Boo boo's been gone for monthes and we're still talking about him so I'd say he's left an impact and judging by the poll I'd say that its a positive one.

EDIT: ahahahhahahaha, all the mods are voting against him.

It's already been done to death.
Even when boo boo was a moderator himself he lacked the responsibility to behave.

I don't mean this to be rude, but you're showing your age. The long-vision of lollipops and unicorns won't hold.

I'd ask you to go back and look at his record, what hasn't been deleted from it, and show me what warrants his return, or what warrants merit in the first place.

Meh, I apologize if this topic has been run into the ground before. He just seems to have mellowed out some over the last few months, so I thought it was worth a shot.

However, as long as he isn't permabanned, I suppose it makes the most sense for him to serve out the next 200 days and then demonstrate better behavior (assuming he comes back).

Also, I think he can change....but I don't know if he really has or ever will. Maybe a full year ban can bring about a respect for civility.

I think GB is a good member. But can we really say "Creepy Kids Singing Awesome Songs" is as big a contribution as Boob's prog threads? Can't we like, ban him from the shoutbox....just say, if you are in there we will ban you?

It's not rude. I am young, I probably act like an oblivious, angsty little twat 75% of the time. I'm just giving my opinion.

Hell yeah I'm gloating. He's gone, I'm not gone. You're bent out of shape, I'm fine with things as they are. And you acting like I'm the spawn of satan himself doesn't mean squat to me, seeing as you're not a mod and even if you try and pull some mod action on me for being glad someone I find annoying is gone, I can just point out despite the fact you're pissed off at me and trying to use me as an example, everything negative between us thus far has been me responding, quite chirpy, to random insults coming from you.

As far as this little debacle is concerned, I'm whiter than white, just giving back what I'm getting, and you're trolling.

And... you're not?

Make that 5 ex & current mods against.

It's not a permaban he's got it's a years ban. He was told countless times before he got it his next one would be a lengthy one. He didn't seem bothered by it in the slightest at the time.

And if you're wondering why so many mods & ex mods are against him coming back it's because we were the ones who were let down time & time again because of his bull**** after giving him plenty of chances, and when I say plenty of chances I mean at least 2 or 3 years worth.

Of course now i'm no longer a mod I have no say in if he comes back or not but if any current mods are thinking of lifting it I just hope that you'll be prepared for the same old crap he was pulling 3 or 4 months down the line.

Judging by the poll, my accusations of the new crop of posters being a bunch of yah-dude, neophytes who don't have any real vision of musical discussion but want, instead, to have a chaotic wasteland to talk about who we'd **** and what snacks we enjoy while high.

Boo Boo was banned. He was banned several times and all of them for good reason. In fact the only time Boo Boo and Banned can be used in the same sentence with the word "unfair" is when he unfairly banned a handful of people because he was a Mod and because he just didn't like them.

Maybe that sounds good to someone who's dragged around by their emotions constantly, but I didn't come here for ridiculous teenage horse****, I came here for music. Boo Boo brings nothing but outlandish trolling.

I'm all set.

It's nice to see people ask for his return, but I think those who would like to see him back are the ones who won't have to deal with his behaviour, or the problem of deciding what to do with those who will inevitably (and in some cases quite rightly) respond to his baiting and rants.
It just wouldn't be worth it.