duga

I wasn't going to post any more on this, but for the sake of trying to clarify some pretty clear concerns, here you go.

Sooo...you really didn't see oojay's post as a personal attack? Passively wording an insult and then saying all you were doing was "reporting the facts" doesn't make it any less of an insult. I thought I explained it pretty well. I know I've been in a few arguments that may have come to insults, but I can guarantee you will never find a post of mine that blatantly brings up another member and insults them just for the sake of it. His post came out of nowhere and was totally unnecessary. Yep, I considered it infraction worthy, mainly as a means of keeping things from getting to direct insults. Obviously, that didn't work.

My reason for deleting the posts was to nip it in the bud. The insulter didn't need his infraction left for the world to see and the insulted didn't need to see the insult. The post I left was because oojay obviously wanted to bring it up. I'll tell you what...I will personally be adopting the no deletion policy for infractions from now on since that seems to be one of the big concerns. I can't say any of the other mods will do the same, but there you go.

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Burning Down

Like Pedestrian said, having this thread moderated wouldn't be a good idea. Combing through posts and approving/disapproving them is not the right way to treat this thread, as it we would probably end up censoring things members are trying to say in here.

Sansa Stark

I don't know why Duga's getting flak for giving an infraction for what oojay said against Vanilla. It was really rude and unnecessary, and I saw it before it was deleted. Come on oojay, you can whinge about The Batlord and I post "sacrilegious" things but then you turn around use a personal attack against someone who isn't even the one being slandered in the first place? What?

I feel that duga did the right thing in this situation, and you all should shut the **** up

Urban Hat€monger ?

Even if you were talking about a mods temperament you still would have no idea of the full picture.
When I was modding I had a reputation for being ban happy at short notice and being short tempered.
The truth however was very different.
Every ban I ever made was discussed with other mods first. In the whole 3 or 4 years I was modding I could probably count on my fingers how many regular members I gave bans to.

The mods are part timers doing this for free and the love of being here. Nobody got trained how to do it, pretty much all of problems are dealt with as they arrive, sometimes rules made that were an issue a few years ago may not be now. Sometimes there isn't a precedent, sometimes with the turnover of mods there are the current team may not have been around when the same issue was dealt with previously.

If you want total consistency bugger off to a music forum run by some big multinational company who employ staff with real money to do this sort of thing.

For what it's worth had I still been a mod I would have given you one too.
The whole point of an infraction is to let someone know they crossed the line without actually banning them. Had Vanilla said something to you first that wouldn't be the case but your comments was totally unprovoked and it being deleted didn't really make any difference to the thread overall which shows there wasn't really any content in it anyway.

Duga totally did the right thing.

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[MERIT]

The relevance is that it was revealed that the last straw that got Dirty banned was impersonating you in a chatroom that isn't even on MB, and then mooning the webcam. I saw this as ironic, as you seemingly (just going by the content that you, yourself, post) have no qualms about embarassing yourself (in my opinion, take that for whatever it's worth to you) by talking openly about the size and smell of the orifice between your legs, and how many sexual partners you would like to have before you die (I would gladly provide links, lest they be deleted and manipulated my the mods to hurt my credibility, but you know what I'm referring to). My point being: if you are willing to make posts that tarnish your own image, how can you fault Dirty for (supposedly) doing the same? (Again, for any *sensitive* mods, this is a discussion about peception and opinion, not an attack).

One man's insult is another man's word-for-word quote. Why not infract Vanilla for posting ignorant crap, instead of me for pointing out that said crap exists?

How did it "come out of nowhere"? The entire last half of this thread is dedicated to the Dirty/Vanilla incident.

And for the sake of intelligent conversation, how about not deleting my posts and throwing your weight around with meaningless bullsh*t infractions? You got a personal problem? Don't be scared to air it out homie.

You posted a dildo crucifix and a picture of 2 Jesus' butt-f*cking each other. Regardless of religious connotation, that is offensive. You have a personal issue with me reporting your stupid posts, so you are using that as a basis to throw your nonsense into this thread as well. Vanilla slandered herself with her talk of vaginal frosting, as did you while posting those sacriligious and unfunny images. Let's all kill the messenger for pointing out your own stupidity.

Of course you would have been Vanilla's knight in shining armor, that's a given. You've been trying to get it in with every female member on this forum since the Bush administration.

Sansa Stark

I don't give a **** what you find is offensive, I find your misogyny and whinyness pretty goddamn offensive. You're really so butthurt over it? Good god, I'm sorry then to offend you but what is your excuse for personally attacking someone else? I could give a **** less if you "reported" my posts, really. It's that you are such a whiner that you can whine about things like that and then turn around and say such things yet expect no retribution but demand consequences for people who offend you, you should just shut the **** up, really. And here you keep going with the personal attacks instead of focusing on the matter at hand. Are you a child or a grown man?! Stop acting like you're sticking it to the man just because you're so bothered nobody ever made you a mod.

duga

Well...considering I just spent the last few posts explaining why it wasn't a bull**** infraction and why the posts were deleted, I'm officially done explaining myself. I don't have a personal problem with you but I still have absolutely no issues giving you another infraction if you do something like that again.

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Urban Hat€monger ?

Just can't help yourself can you.
and you wonder why you get infractions.

I don't need to get in with anybody. I've disagreed with Vanilla in the past and probably will do in the future. If anything I'm surprised some of her posts have not been reported already. I think she has a bitchy side she needs to control if she really wants to be taken seriously as a mod.
Is that attacking her, no that's just me being critical without trying to cause offence to her because I've basically been accused of sucking up to her.

But that's just my opinion among many and the last way I would go about doing anything is in the crass & idiotic way you blundered into the discussion.

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Yes, becuase out of this whole thread, I'M the one who is acting butt hurt.

How is not wanting to hear about vaginas in every thread considered misogynistic in your book? And if all you take away from this thread is that I'm "jealous" that I'm not a mod, you clearly don't understand English.

And neither can you, obviously. I'm entitled to post and express my opinions just as much as you are Richard.

Sansa Stark

Waah wahh wahh. You are the one acting butthurt, really. I've taken it away from several threads that you're jealous nobody ever made you a mod.