When Someone is Banned

~~someonecompletelyrandom~~ · 06-12-2011, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Or you can just pull a SATCHMO and give him a year ban 5 minutes after he returns, for no apparent reason, that will make a point. GuitarBizarre will gladly support you.

I'm also glad to see the Mods have extended their area of responsibility and enforcement to now serve more of the World Wide Web, watch out world.

Why is it that no one has mentioned how ridiculous oojay's infraction a few pages back is? Seriously, come on Duga, you're a grown ass man. Act like it.

It's also funny that the mods scoff at anyone who dares to offer an opinion on the matter that "we don't have all the facts", the same facts you refuse to disclose in this very case. So how we, in your eyes, to form an opinion on the issue? Oh, that's right, you won't have your actions be held accountable to the public. What a great form of leadership we have made for ourselves MusicBanter.

This whole situation is the equivalent of people getting fired from their jobs for posting on Facebook. People sticking their nose where it doesn't belong and over-reaching their boundaries.

But of course, my opinion doesn't count, because I don't have all the facts...

It's because we're all evil and want to revoke everyone's freedom.

crash_override · 06-12-2011, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I don't see how much more cut-and-dry we can make it than "He was saying extremely nasty things about someone".

Yes, it makes sense if you don't think about it.

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Originally Posted by Conan

It's because we're all evil and want to revoke everyone's freedom.

That may not be the purpose of your actions, but it will inevitably resemble the reult.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-12-2011, 12:51 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Yes, it makes sense if you don't think about it.

I don't understand what you're missing here, but I expect no amount of expounding will satisfy your distaste for our decision.

crash_override · 06-12-2011, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

I felt the thread was naked without crashes wee complaint. Ah complete now.

Condescension is not a good look for you. I would tell you how I really feel, but since Duga is handing out infractions for opinionated posts now, I'll refrain. Have a nice day.

How's the weather up there by the way?

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I don't understand what you're missing here, but I expect no amount of expounding will satisfy your distaste for our decision.

This parental, "because I said so" attitude that you seem to be taking on the issue should not be confused with any sort of real explanation.

If you can't explain why you did something, you probably shouldn't have done it in the first place.

I can't decide if you mods take this approach because you "want to protect members privacy", or because everyone knowing would prove that the action was taken in haste and without proper procedure.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 06-12-2011, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Condescension is not a good look for you. I would tell you how I really feel, but since Duga is handing out infractions for opinionated posts now, I'll refrain. Have a nice day.

How's the weather up there by the way?

This parental, "because I said so" attitude that you seem to be taking on the issue should not be confused with any sort of real explanation.

If you can't explain why you did something, you probably shouldn't have done it in the first place.

I can't decide if you mods take this approach because you "want to protect members privacy", or because everyone knowing would prove that the action was taken in haste and without proper procedure.

We actually don't have to justify decisions we make as mods.

The weathers fantastic, we have an ash plume over our country.

Paedantic Basterd · 06-12-2011, 01:18 AM

I don't see the need to repeat the exact phrases used, cause more drama, and make a further spectacle out of the user that was victimized in the speech. I understand how this will satisfy curiosity, but I do not see it having any other positive impact.

The reality of this particular situation is that Dirty is a person known for his polarizing behaviour who has received previous warnings and consequences for his actions. He continued this behaviour, to an extent where it was bordering on harassment of another user. The last particular instance required intervention.

That's the long and short of it, without resorting to posting word for word the gratuitous insults that were used in the cited conversation.

Generally speaking, it seems that if we give an inch, people will take a mile. Previously, it was stressed that all anyone wanted to know was length of ban and simple reason for it. Now we've been providing this information, yet it fails to satisfy. Honestly, the curiosity will only be fulfilled if you were witness to the incident while it took place, and short of that, nobody will feel comfortable or as if they understand everything that occurred.

I'm not sure what you consider "proper procedure". We haven't hidden our method from anyone. We observe a number of incidents, and when they come to a peak, we come to a majority consensus and decide on an action to counter the offending behaviour. If you think there is a more professional way to handle things, I at least, am listening to the suggestion.

crash_override · 06-12-2011, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

We actually don't have to justify decisions we make as mods.

Oh really? Never heard that one before. I offer a quote, says it better than I can.

"Knowledge is power. Information is power. The secreting or hoarding of knowledge or information may be an act of tyranny camouflaged as humility."
- Robin Morgan

That's how I feel about it.

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

The weathers fantastic, we have an ash plume over our country.

Wow, OK. Point taken.

**Scarlett O'Hara** · 06-12-2011, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by crash_override

Oh really? Never heard that one before. I offer a quote, says it better than I can.

"Knowledge is power. Information is power. The secreting or hoarding of knowledge or information may be an act of tyranny camouflaged as humility."
- Robin Morgan

That's how I feel about it.

Wow, OK. Point taken.

Yeah I'm pretty fresh. I want all the power and you CANT HAVE IT!

Ska Lagos Jew Sun Ra · 06-12-2011, 01:24 AM

This thread is quite possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever seen...

crash_override · 06-12-2011, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I don't see the need to repeat the exact phrases used, cause more drama, and make a further spectacle out of the user that was victimized in the speech. I understand how this will satisfy curiosity, but I do not see it having any other positive impact.

The reality of this particular situation is that Dirty is a person known for his polarizing behaviour who has received previous warnings and consequences for his actions. He continued this behaviour, to an extent where it was bordering on harassment of another user. The last particular instance required intervention.

That's the long and short of it, without resorting to posting word for word the gratuitous insults that were used in the cited conversation.

Now we're getting somewhere. Thank you for a seemingly sincere and concerted effort. It doesn't paint a vivid picture, but it's a good start by MB standards.

Note I'm not saying the mods actions were/are unjust or unfair in this case, I would just like the opputunity to arrive at that opinion on my own, rather than having it handed to me.

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

Generally speaking, it seems that if we give an inch, people will take a mile. Previously, it was stressed that all anyone wanted to know was length of ban and simple reason for it. Now we've been providing this information, yet it fails to satisfy. Honestly, the curiosity will only be fulfilled if you were witness to the incident while it took place, and short of that, nobody will feel comfortable or as if they understand everything that occurred.

Here's where we disagree, I don't believe in the hiding of information. We are not dogs, we shouldn't be expected to be happy with our dog treats while we watch you eat a steak (pardon the stupid analogy). Holding back facts and essentially sitting on pertinent inforamtion is obviously going to breed a certain level on distrust between mods and regular members. When you make it obvious that you're hiding certain facts, why wouldn't we assume you're hiding others as well?

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Originally Posted by Pedestrian

I'm not sure what you consider "proper procedure". We haven't hidden our method from anyone. We observe a number of incidents, and when they come to a peak, we come to a majority consensus and decide on an action to counter the offending behaviour. If you think there is a more professional way to handle things, I at least, am listening to the suggestion.

Okay so "proper procedure" may have been a little vague, but as Urban said earlier, I would consider banning people based on the current rules in place rather than making up new rules to accomidate old bannings to be a good start.

06-12-2011, 01:18 AM	#436 (permalink)
Paedantic Basterd Music Addict Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 5,184	I don't see the need to repeat the exact phrases used, cause more drama, and make a further spectacle out of the user that was victimized in the speech. I understand how this will satisfy curiosity, but I do not see it having any other positive impact. The reality of this particular situation is that Dirty is a person known for his polarizing behaviour who has received previous warnings and consequences for his actions. He continued this behaviour, to an extent where it was bordering on harassment of another user. The last particular instance required intervention. That's the long and short of it, without resorting to posting word for word the gratuitous insults that were used in the cited conversation. Generally speaking, it seems that if we give an inch, people will take a mile. Previously, it was stressed that all anyone wanted to know was length of ban and simple reason for it. Now we've been providing this information, yet it fails to satisfy. Honestly, the curiosity will only be fulfilled if you were witness to the incident while it took place, and short of that, nobody will feel comfortable or as if they understand everything that occurred. I'm not sure what you consider "proper procedure". We haven't hidden our method from anyone. We observe a number of incidents, and when they come to a peak, we come to a majority consensus and decide on an action to counter the offending behaviour. If you think there is a more professional way to handle things, I at least, am listening to the suggestion.