When Someone is Banned

djchameleon · 05-06-2011, 04:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Vanilla

She was banned for insulting a moderator if everyone must know. Nothing to do with the N word.

Transparency is a nice thing. Sure you don't have to tell us every inner workings of the mod mystery but it's nice to know every now and then when certain people get banned and why.

MoonlitSunshine · 05-06-2011, 04:28 AM

^ Don't agree with that. It's up to the mods when they feel necessary to use their powers, they don't have to explain their every move to us: If a thread is locked, you say why. If you're giving someone a ban or an infraction you tell them why they're getting it, so they have the chance to change their behaviour. But I don't think we as normal users have the right to a) demand information on someone else because we're nosey or b) impinge on the privacy of the members involved: Part of being a mod is knowing when to be discreet, it's up to each user (in my opinion) if they want to let everyone know why they were banned.

djchameleon · 05-06-2011, 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

^ Don't agree with that. It's up to the mods when they feel necessary to use their powers, they don't have to explain their every move to us: If a thread is locked, you say why. If you're giving someone a ban or an infraction you tell them why they're getting it, so they have the chance to change their behaviour. But I don't think we as normal users have the right to a) demand information on someone else because we're nosey or b) impinge on the privacy of the members involved: Part of being a mod is knowing when to be discreet, it's up to each user (in my opinion) if they want to let everyone know why they were banned.

did you read my second sentence before typing this whole thing up?

I pretty much said some of that but just not in great detail like you did with examples.

MoonlitSunshine · 05-06-2011, 05:56 AM

Yes, I did. You said "sure you don't have to tell us everything, but we'd still like to know whatever we ask you about", essentially. When you are claiming the right to ask about who was banned and why, you aren't exactly leaving many stones unturned.

djchameleon · 05-06-2011, 06:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MoonlitSunshine

Yes, I did. You said "sure you don't have to tell us everything, but we'd still like to know whatever we ask you about", essentially. When you are claiming the right to ask about who was banned and why, you aren't exactly leaving many stones unturned.

You have selective reading skills or something. I did say the word "certain" and the second sentence explains that I don't want to know why every single person is banned but it's nice to know when CERTAIN members are banned.

Especially if you are away from the boards for a few days and come back to see a friend of yours banned. You'd like to know what they did at least to deserve it. Sure the mods have the right to not tell us **** but that's when the peasants start to get touchy and end up creating a thread asking why a certain person was banned. It happens all of the time.

MoonlitSunshine · 05-06-2011, 06:18 AM

Yeah, and that's when the peasants can sit the **** down and stop expecting to have everything they want. If you wanna know why your friend was banned, ask your friend. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, but maintaining the right to ask when "certain" members are banned is equivalent to saying maintaining the right to ask when ANY member is banned, which is equivalent to wanting to know whatever you want about bans and infractions. The fact that you are only wishing to ask about specific members doesn't change that.

djchameleon · 05-06-2011, 06:24 AM

I'm not saying it's our right to know. I'm just saying that it would be a nice thing like a small bread crumb to throw to the peasants, when you are in a leadership position there are things that you can do to make the whole situation run more smoothly if you choose not to do them then that's on you.

**Janszoon** · 05-06-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Dirty

So was tumor given an infraction for arguing with me, and then insulted a mod and got a ban?

Bingo.

Freebase Dali · 05-06-2011, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by djchameleon

I'm not saying it's our right to know. I'm just saying that it would be a nice thing like a small bread crumb to throw to the peasants, when you are in a leadership position there are things that you can do to make the whole situation run more smoothly if you choose not to do them then that's on you.

I definitely support transparency to an extent. I don't mind telling you guys anything you want to know about why we make certain decisions. The only things I personally hold back are things that can be exploited by members, to negative ends. Thankfully, there are very few exploits, so if you ask me something regarding modding, it's a very high probability that you will get an honest answer.

duga · 05-06-2011, 09:55 AM

What Freebase said.

The only thing we really ask of you guys is that you remember we really take every decision seriously, and it is discussed extensively until a decision is reached. We take into account every concern you guys bring up here. If a mod goes rogue and starts banning with no mod team consultation, we get upset.

05-06-2011, 04:28 AM	#172 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,088	^ Don't agree with that. It's up to the mods when they feel necessary to use their powers, they don't have to explain their every move to us: If a thread is locked, you say why. If you're giving someone a ban or an infraction you tell them why they're getting it, so they have the chance to change their behaviour. But I don't think we as normal users have the right to a) demand information on someone else because we're nosey or b) impinge on the privacy of the members involved: Part of being a mod is knowing when to be discreet, it's up to each user (in my opinion) if they want to let everyone know why they were banned. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?" - Arthur Dent

05-06-2011, 05:56 AM	#174 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,088	Yes, I did. You said "sure you don't have to tell us everything, but we'd still like to know whatever we ask you about", essentially. When you are claiming the right to ask about who was banned and why, you aren't exactly leaving many stones unturned. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?" - Arthur Dent

05-06-2011, 06:18 AM	#176 (permalink)
MoonlitSunshine Dat's Der Bunny! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Ireland Posts: 1,088	Yeah, and that's when the peasants can sit the ** down and stop expecting to have everything they want. If you wanna know why your friend was banned, ask your friend. I'm sorry if you think otherwise, but maintaining the right to ask when "certain" members are banned is equivalent to saying maintaining the right to ask when ANY member is banned, which is equivalent to wanting to know whatever you want about bans and infractions. The fact that you are only wishing to ask about specific members doesn't change that. __________________ "I found it eventually, at the bottom of a locker in a disused laboratory, with a sign on the door saying "Beware of the Leopard". Ever thought of going into Advertising?"** - Arthur Dent

05-06-2011, 09:55 AM	#180 (permalink)
duga MB quadrant's JM Vincent Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 3,762	What Freebase said. The only thing we really ask of you guys is that you remember we really take every decision seriously, and it is discussed extensively until a decision is reached. We take into account every concern you guys bring up here. If a mod goes rogue and starts banning with no mod team consultation, we get upset. __________________ Confusion will be my epitaph...