It's not like I was flipping out or anything. I just didn't notice him doing anything wrong. Yeah, that second post makes me look like a hypocrite, but I'm a little less apathetic when it's someone I like.

Why is it that whenever members kick up a fuss about someone else being banned it's always something to do with some kind of a sexist attack on a female member and then all the male members sticking up for the perpetrator like it's some kind of boy's club... this exact same thing happened with boo boo. Obviously the hot dog post has been removed so noone can see what it was but that kind of stuff is really disgusting and I think he deserves to be banned...

Well, It wasnt graphic or anything, but it was just a continuation in a pattern of posting he'd been asked to stop. So people might have been a little defensive of him at first because the picture although not at all called for wasnt ban worthy in itself.

I know you're not talking about me specifically, but I did NOT stand up for booboo at all.
Just sayin

What he had said and been told to stop prior to the picture was vulgar and sometimes graphic, and it made the people who were the butt of the joke uncomfortable.

See, I haven't gone through his entire posting history, and I don't read all of the more political/sexual threads in The Lounge, but it always seemed to me like Dirty was being crude about women in general but not specific posters. Correct me if I'm wrong, as like I said I have in no way seen everything he has ever posted...

now u kno

^ lol

:laughing:

But yeah, that's wrong...

And that wasn't all. It was in the shoutbox often, too.

I feel this is the most important point about the situation: Dirty made the person feel uncomfortable. He didn't have consent to treat her that way.

I saw Dirty make the verbal joke about the photoshopping in of an object into a person's mouth. If he and the person had been in agreement that this sexualization were humorous for both of them, then this situation would be similar to many on MB. Since there was no such established rapport, I agree Dirty's picture manipulation wasn't appropriate. (I still like Dirty, though; bannings don't mean a person is "bad.")

I've posted my naked David sculpture several times on MB. Since I'm still here, I conclude either people like fine art, or right-track doesn't mind the taunting! :p:
Yep yep. Images of people eating meat SHOULD be banned.

At last! MusicBanter has been converted. My work here is done.

;)

Haha, that made me laugh Vege.

^Spot on VEGAN.
Dirty's ban should serve as a reminder of where the line has been drawn.
There are many remarks around the boards of a sexual nature that are close to the bone, but for the most part these are general comments and not specifically aimed at an individual.
If Dirty assumed the member wouldn't mind and that his behaviour was acceptable to others then he was either mistaken, or just downright thick.

There's a bigger picture than the temp banning of a single member and that is the standard of behaviour expected for this forum. A forum made up of members of all ages. Some still very young.

What's important now is that Dirty and other members realise what those standards are.

I still can't believe his banning seems to be an issue with some people.
It's called moderating.

Hmmm... Yeah. Altough I must say (that's not criticism), I would handle it differently. I never ban anyone temporarily. I give them plenty of time and chances to improve themselves. Even if others are suffering, as long as I see 'the good' in someone, they have my support. But when it's over it's over. You can only get banned once and you'll never return after that.
I must say I have fought quite some wars with some members. One of them was lasting over two years. This guy was really a nice person but couldn't control himself on a forum. Tough choice, I liked him a lot in real life. He didn't seem to notice the difference between me on a forum and me in real life, because I'm not welcome there anymore. Ah well, peace returned to my forum. That's worth something.

Nooooooooooo!

Hot dogs banned? C'mon! :mad:

http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5008/hotdogp.jpg

And black humor is man's best friend!

I sure hope he's not being eaten :)

I thought you ment the Sunnyvale Big Dirty. Got really excited.

Thats why they ask in the first place.

If bans seem haphazard and without reason, people are going to wonder if they're next.

He was making a habit of making very crude, sexual comments and jokes around the forum. He may believe that people were taking things too seriously, you may believe that people were taking things too seriously but the fact is some people WERE offended or made to feel uncomfortable because of his behaviour and therefore he was asked to cool it down. I dont think thats too unreasonable, do you?

He was warned three or four times by three different mods at least to calm down and that his behaviour was unacceptable, including just a day before he was banned, and his response is to make yet another sexual remark, this time to a sixteen year old girl? He obviously feels it was made in good humour or something or that we are taking too seriously but given her age, the fact he does not know her well (or i assume) and the fact he was warned about this exact kind of thing numerous times already warrants his ban, in my opinion.

Every ban around here seems to result in a backlash now, but please keep in mind that the chances are you don't know the full story. Nobody is banned without reason. Plus he's only gone for a couple of weeks!

A COUPLE OF WEEKS!?!? NOOO!!!!!

/caps

Whoa. Back the bus up on that one. Who's kicking up a fuss? The question was "what did he get banned for?"

FaSho and V&F do not represent the male population of these boards and there are plenty of examples of men in here saying he deserved it. Boo Boo being sexist is like saying Stalin was bad because of his environmental policies.

i still don't see the point.
If warning him doesn't help, how will a temporary ban help?
I guess it's just his nature then?

I think she's saying she feels there's a much harsher attack on women when they get banned.

I'm not sure I agree with that, but I think that's what she meant.

Exactly. And if anyone is worried about being able to freely speak your mind around the forum, please don't be. If you do something that isn't appropriate, one of the mods will warn you. Even if you do it again, we will still just warn you. Just know around the 3rd or 4th warnings...a temp ban will be considered. Believe it or not, we have a LOT of patience. You guys just don't see the inner-workings, you only see the end result.

If Dirty comes back and falls into his old ways, we will warn him AGAIN. We will keep warning him until it is obvious he still hasn't learned, at which point a longer ban is in order. We don't take bannings lightly.

Well now it looks like everyones overreacting. My 2 cents is...

1. Theres always going to be someone who complains about someone elses banning. Thats life. I think because we can't see the offending thread, you've got more curious people because there is a TON of sexual threads around here. Since we can't see that thread, but we can see Fetish, Sex Experience, Slut debate threads - its only natural to go "wait a minute, we can cross a line?"

2. Men and women tend to get banned for different things around here. I don't know if thats a double standard or what, but you're never off the cuff banned. You always get a warning. And I find it hard to believe Dirty wasn't aware of what he was doing which leads me to...

3. Dirty can be obnoxious. I don't have a problem with him, but I rarely do with people. Its a ban, and its fine. We had one of our premier posters start his career with about 14 bans in one year. If he hasn't trumped Ethan's ban count, he's fine.

Dirty should have been banned because he's rude and a troll. But the sexual stuff makes no sense. Would you say Dirty is more sexual than Vanilla?

I think the difference is most guys want it when Vanilla makes a sexual reference towards them. Or they act like they do.
Dirty does it no matter how many times the girl is like, "You're making me uncomfortable."
I wonder how that transfers over in real life. >.>

And also, Vanillas threads aren't like

"Who wants to have sex with James tonight? Post the deviant things you'd do to him here!"

There more general opinion questions.

Don't get me wrong, I love Vanilla, she's awesome. I just think that Dirty is a lot worse things than overtly sexual. I think the reason about the Vanilla thing is like Sugar said, she'd stop if someone was uncomfortable and Dirty would only do it more.

i still haven't figured out why people give two fucks about this guy or his banning. as far as i can tell, the only claim to fame he has is being boo boo-lite and that he makes sexually suggestive remarks towards members at weird times.

is his story really that interesting?
what am i missing?

It has nothing to do with him.

there's a thread with seven pages of discussion that was created purely for the purpose of talking about him, and you're telling me he's a footnote? honestly i couldn't care less, i'm just wondering why MB has caught the drama fever over this dude.

Yes, exactly. Also, no one has ever told Vanilla to stop. Multiple people told Dirty to stop multiple times. I'm sure if I PMd Vanilla that she was going a little over the top, she would stop.

Just to let everyone know, Dirty has admitted upon first arriving he really liked messing with people. He also said while he still likes to push buttons, he has tried to legitimately contribute recently. He worked himself into a hole, no doubt - but he has expressed frustration about being provoked because of that hole. The ban and the attention his ban has gotten I think is enough...when he comes back let's just see if he learned and NOT provoke him.

With the regulars being so tight knit here, it isn't surprising gossip and drama are popular things. Everyone loves a good controversy.

I agree, especially in forums like the Lounge and Shout Box, (I can do without all the drama myself), one reason I stay mostly in the music forums.

He is. This is about what happened. I.e. could it happen to them. Don't be fooled by the title, this is self-concern with a bit of gossip.

I think you're absolutely right.

I should add that almost all of the posters here have shown that they, at least marginally, have the good sense to know where to draw the line in regards to what's appropriate and inappropriate.

Yeah, we do make sexual innuendos, flirt, and what not here and I'm not saying that it should stop, but almost all of us know that if, like VEGANGELICA alluded to, we don't have something of a rapport with the person that is the object of our joke, then we should at least be somewhat aware of where to draw the line.

As human beings existing in a society you are expected to make the distinction between appropriate and inappropriate behavior everyday and act accordingly, and almost all of you do so quite naturally. There should be no reason why a person's behavior on an internet forum should be an exception to this.

Basically, what I'm trying to say is, please don't worry about this. All of the people that are concerned about moderator retribution have shown through their participation in this forum that they are valued members of the MB community and basically know how to behave like a Homo Sapien.

As the starter of the original thread which led to all this, let me say that all the mods here and especially Satch have hit the nail on the head. I didnt make that thread to ridicule another member, it was just a light hearted spur of the moment thing. In assuming everyone would know where to draw the line, I have erred. I shouldn't have ever taken the chance. Especially with a female poster of only 16! Now Pavement Saw, obviously I joke around a lot, but I'd like to offer a sincere E-pology for putting you into this and starting this whole weird ordeal.

There is a simple rule that applies here.

If you see a 'harsh' banning, don't bother starting a thread about it. Just remind yourself that as well as the reason for the ban they were also banned for either ignoring our pleas or getting on our tits for several weeks or months at least.

We're only human, you constantly needle us and you will get a reaction.

And that is the reason why 99% of all 'harsh' bannings look harsh.

Got that now?

Good.

Every interesting member this board's ever had has been banned. There's still a bevy of smart, whatever people, but anyone with a big personality is cut loose.