Attention n00bs
 

This message is directed to the recent influx of newbs to have joined MusicBanter over the last few weeks.

It's been noticed that several new posters have been abusive, offensive and generally rude towards some of the more regular and longer standing members of MusicBanter.
Notably in one or two of the 'Lounge' threads.

While the 'Lounge' is a place for light hearted, non music related topics, it's worth noticing that the forum rules still apply in the 'Lounge' as they do elsewhere.
I suggest all newcomers to MusicBanter read the forum rules if they haven't already.

While debating and discussion is fine, we will not tolerate rudeness, insulting posts, personal attacks, or purposeless inflammatory posts.

The same goes for the tags that have been added to some threads. We know who you are and as far as I am concerned you are in the last chance saloon.

One should link the "Sluts of MusicBanter" thread as an example of what not to do with a Lounge or, for that matter, any thread on this site.

It's not just new people who have this sort of behaviour. I posted my opinions in a few threads and had older members drop the f-bomb and such on me for no reason at all. Rather unfair to just assume it's new people. I might be new to this forum but I'm not new to the internet so it would be nice to not be treated like a random punching bag just because I am a new member here. It's not very welcoming and the e-thug attitude is lame.

Not to mention that I couldn't even post my picture without a few people throwing out some random insults. Yeah, I rolled with the punches and took it in good spirits but it really wasn't necessary.

:(

Am I in trouble?

Predominantly it has, although there were older members involved too and it's been noted.

Can we not call new people "noobs"?
It feels derogatory.
:|

If the n00bs cease being derogatory.
Then yes.

Fair enough.

No need to monitor the temperature in hell I guess.
:)

Lol@ f bombs..:laughing: its all gravy..I don't see what the deal is some people can't take the heat stay outta the kitchen...I think I've passed my rebelious no0b phase..lol I apologize to all the members I cussed out.:(

Then you should report it. I know it's hard to keep the same standard all the time, but let's all work on making this place as amicable as possible (without taking all the fun out of it).

Just to be clear, I had a specific problem with you and veridical fiction and reported your behavior. I'd also like to say that I generally like seasoned e-people (which you both seem to be), but also thought you got a bit carried away last night.

I think I made two posts last night that were attacking someone but not really too badly (though I don't remember if anything else happened, it was a long night and I was moody) but in general, it has nothing to do with "if you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen" because, like I said, I had people randomly insult me and I didn't fire back, I just went with it. I'm pretty good with keeping my cool but I think more people jump on firing at the new people just because they're new. I highly doubt that if I were being attacked by an older member, no one else would hit the report button.


It just seems like it's easier to point the finger at new people and disregard the older members. In the thread last night, I saw two members fighting who weren't new members. Yeah, a few newer people made a few comments but it seemed in the end that the older members were easily forgiven for insulting each other but the newer people get the shaft. I even saw the idea thrown out that the new people "think they own the place". That's a pretty ridiculous statement. I'm certainly not here to own the place, I'm just posting the same as anyone else.

Meh, just an observation.

This isn't up for analysis.
No-ones getting banned.

This is just a reminder of forum etiquette, that seemed to go out of the window last night.

Wha???
I don't remember what I said... Can I get a link to it?
If you had a problem with something I said, I'm sorry. It would have been nice if you'd said something to me about it before reporting me, that way if it could have possibly been a misunderstanding, I wouldn't be getting rodded unnecessarily.

I suggest that everybody drink a beer and go listen to some of me and Jackhammer's "seven songs" comps. Our thread is lonely.

i'd like it cited where i was insulting,...

yep, i might have called her little girl at one point, however other than that, all i did was try and help a fellow member understand me better when she expressed her confusion

i dont remember there being ill intent on my end

Well as I said, the report button is there for you to use it and bring the mods' attention to what you consider problematic behavior. It's up to them to rule on the issue in the end. I may be in the minority that actually uses it but I used to be a mod and would have appreciated it if more members had done the same. I figure it makes their jobs a bit easier.

As for what you think is and is not appropriate behavior, we obviously disagree, but as I said, it's up to the mods and I think they side with me on this one. You unnecessarily added fuel to the fire.


That would be me again. I just think it's rather backwards for you to try and establish yourself by being a cunt. I think first you need to contribute and prove yourself as a noteworthy addition in the music forums and then you earn the right to spew shit on other, older and therefore established members. None of that matters here though because you were being rude in an argument that didn't pertain to you, unlike the two older members (whose argument should have been stopped earlier, I agree), which is what brought me to the aforementioned conclusion of backward social climbing. Just my two cents of course...

You jumped on the Savannah dissing bandwagon, as your sig still shows. Unnecessary fuel to the fire, that's all.

A sig that would be wise removing btw.

I use it and I also report via PM anything that I think needs a look at. :)

When did I say anything about my behaviour being right? I never did but I hardly doubt the two posts I made were really anything that would bring someone to tears, nor was it any worse than what said person was saying to other people. I have no issue with this person and I wont get into anything further about it but I said what was on my mind, just like they did.

Yet another example of what I was talking about.

I have contributed quite well to this forum but you seem to be stuck on two posts that I made last night that didn't even come across that badly. No swear words, no name calling, just a basic "you love yourself too much" summary.



I don't have an issue with her, I hardly even know her, but it seems like, based on her posts, she thinks she is better than everyone else. I think it's rather stupid to have to be a member for a certain amount of time to be able to share that opinion. Unlike most people here, I don't look at dates that people joined. It has nothing to do with sharing an opinion. I'm sure she's a nice girl but she didn't come across that way last night and she isn't fully to blame because a lot of people jumped on her. I said my part and left. Other people kept going. I based my opinion on her posts just like people base their opinion of me on my two posts. It goes both ways but it seems wrong of me to assume she is the way she appeared last night but it's okay for two minor posts of mine to be a full judgement of my character. Again, I am sure the only reason it's a real problem is because I am new. If someone older had said it, it would be either followed or just plain funny.


I generally like the population of people here, even those who have openly taken a dump on me for no reason at all.

Just clearing it up because it appears everyone has a different view of me without reading posts other than those two :(

Hmmm...

I just went through all my posts from that night and the ONLY thing I could see as being able to be misunderstood as bagging on Savannah was me commenting on one of the tags that someone else entered.
In fact, I found in the same thread me supporting Savannah because everyone was yanking on her about the foreign guy.

Regarding the sig, I didn't even read the original contex where I got my sig from. I saw it in a quote from a post, and I thought it was hilarious.
Until now, I didn't even know that was directed toward Savannah.

Do I have to take the sig down? I wish I didn't, because it still makes me laugh.
Let me know if it's because it has the word "vagina" in it.
Otherwise, I wouldn't mind just having "flappy vagina" for a sig.......


Anyway, this is all pretty useless to be typing, but I just wanted Adidasss to know that instead of making more work for a moderator to have to stop what he's doing to review something someone said, it'd probably be a bit easier to just address the situation yourself by letting the person know he's going to far.
If you don't feel like that's your job, that's cool.
But it saves people's credibility if you check to make sure you're not misunderstanding someone.

Which was what happened in my case.

Nice observation.
I've been seeing that, but never really thought about it actively.

This seems like kind of a weird thing to object to since it's how normal social interactions in the real world work too. People need to get to know you a bit before they get where you're coming from. You may be a totally cool, fun to talk to person—and my sense is that you are—but if you but if you start tossing around insults too soon, even if they're meant as jokes, you run the risk of being seen as just an ass.

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Ok, we're getting into some useless blame appropriating again. The point is that your behavior wasn't very helpful , as I'm sure you realize yourself.

The problem was the argument which you were a part of. That's all. And again, I think you're very wrong about the older/newer members, I would have reported it regardless of your post count.

Here again, cause I actually care how my perception affects this environment:

I've been going to forums for 9 years now. I'm not new to the game so I do understand where older members are coming from but my first impression of her is basically what your first impression is of me; probably not what it seems. The only difference I can see with the situation is that it seems to be a problem when I make two posts out of over 80 in which I actually somewhat insult a person for appearing to think they are higher than the rest of the forum but it's perfectly fine to throw out whatever you want about the new people. I posted a perfectly suitable picture, I get called a slut at random.

None of us know each other and I try not to go off on first impressions from people because if I did, I'd consider most of the members here as plain arrogant and I don't think it's fair to think that way, just like it isn't right for me to think anything of savannah nor of her to think anything of me based on a few posts.

I guess I'm just a bit tired of the whole "let's point the finger at all the new members" as opposed to making a big deal out of what older members have said. I've been contributing fairly well and think I handled myself pretty well, considering all the e-stalking and such I've had to put up with. I, for one, am not here just to destroy some other forum, like some people here to assume. I was banned from there for joining this place so it's not like I am here as revenge or to start trouble.

I'll still stick with my original thinking in which if what I said was done by a more "established member", it would have been taken with a grain of salt.

We're pointing fingers because that's where the general stench came from. It went from discussion to argument (which is where I ceased to participate) to personal attacks. I'm not placing the blame squarely on you (GuitarBizarre sure fucking pissed me off last night, I'd have punched him in his face if he said half that shit in real life), but goddammit you can't come in here and slander members and expect not to be reprimanded in some form or another. And a good reason that noobs get a fair share of the heat is because they haven't contributed the the forums yet. Starting flame wars (or just prodding the fire) is no way to get brownie points here.

A bit funny because you were one of the first people to throw out some insults at me over a stupid thing I did in about 3 of my posts. You could have just said to not do it again and it would have been fine but you chose to resort to insults. I'm saying this nicely, just to make a point, so don't feel that I am attacking you in any negative way. :)

Like I said, I contributed to many threads around here but people can't seem to steer away from those two posts. I could certainly understand if all 80 of my posts were flames and pure trouble making but they haven't been, it's been 2 posts. Kinda silly to make a huge deal out of that. I am sure many people have made a few of those posts in their time here and I still think it goes both ways. It's not fair that I get destroyed over two posts while people openly called me a slut for absolutely no reason at all other than to be jerks. Even a mod stepped in and made a comment. Yes, I was going with the flow and, based on the few times I have spoken to this mod, he seems like a great person with a sense of humour but his comment could have still been seen as a bit of an insult without using so many words. I didn't take it badly but it was still the fact that it was my first or second day here and it happened so it wasn't like people knew that I am pretty light hearted about things but it was still said and the person who called me a slut didn't get anything said to them. their comments pretty much go against the point of this thread....ironically, made by that same mod, lol.

Ah well, I'm in a bit of pain here and don't feel like turning this thread into a thread about me defending myself more than I already have because I'm sure it's making this thread zzzZZzzzzzZ but to make a summary, to get respect you have to give it. I was disrespected for no reason right off the bat but I am expected to respect everyone else just because I'm new. Not really fair but I'm nobody so....:o:

No. You wouldn't.

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Now playing on Winamp: Pink Floyd - Childhood's End
via FoxyTunes

* insult, i only called you an idiot once. just to make sure we're all clear

this is a joke.

Whether it was once or twice or ten times, it still happened so it's the irony of telling someone to respect others while not respecting others yourself...once. Just like I went and disrespected someone by saying they loved themselves too much....once.


We're even, I got my point across, I love you all. Girls, no homo.

jesus.

I really don't think what happened deserves all this attention. It got out of hand. It's over. No use fretting over it now, much more important **** to worry about.

New topic:
People should listen to Pinback.

yeah, there's that whole ocean thing between us. pity things couldn't have worked out better.

That and I instantly disregard everything someone says after the point they imply or threaten physical violence over the internet.

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Now playing on Winamp: The Tea Party - Interzone
via FoxyTunes

Meh. What I've heard by them wasn't bad but it didn't really do much for me.

what album(s) did you listen to?

Time to lock this too methinks.

fair call.

still doesn't excuse you from acting like a grade A d*ck and setting a piss-poor example for the newbies to follow.

whatever, i'm over it.

I'm not sure. My old bandmate played it to me one time when we were hanging out at his place. I'm not sure if I ever even saw the cover.

I'd be happy but shocked to find out they didn't let you start new topics.

What happened does deserve all this attention because despite efforts to keep the discussion light-hearted and fun, certain posters cannot operator in an adult world, with adult conversations. That being said, whats been stated and what is currently being stated is the following:

If the internet pisses you off, find another site to throw your pissy tantrum on, or go take a walk outside. Further instances of retarded tom-foolery will be met with cold, unwavering juducal corrections.

I hope I am clear in the message, and clearer when is say that despite quoting KL, it is in no way directed at her alone. Oldies, newbies. Rockafella. You're on notice.

This is the last thing i'm ever going to say on the topic, but I said some stuff that I shouldn't have, and I apologized to Savannah today about that, but she too was not totally innocent in the converstation. I believe she appears to be victimized because of all the other random comments that were going on concerning the conversation. This was my first time in being on this site of ever being arguementative against someone at all. I'm sorry it got out of hand, but I don't think anyone was a victim in this case.

Can we please just talk about music instead?

You should give the track June a listen, i'm pretty sure you can find it on last.fm, and tell me what you think. I'm interested.