When it's your response to "stop the insults," that is indeed banworthy mate.

You're reasonably voicing your opinions. I wouldn't ban you for that. Chula made things unnecessarily personal. I asked him not to do that. He did not comply. I banned him for that.

You ****ing people can't be left alone for a minute.
****ing drama machine in here.

While I don't think we really need more mods, I'm somewhat tempted to put who gets to be a new mod up for vote. (Also put up for vote whether Frown stays one.)
Since I'm pretty sure that's not what the Administration would agree to, it's mostly just banter as for now.

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jw why do you think the admin wouldn't agree to it?

Because democracy sucks.

What did I do exactly? I havent insulted or attacked anyone even jokingly.

Stop being so hyperbolic.

Well, I'd like to see a little more, and a little more consistent warnings from the whole mod team. Janz does it well occasionally, with a short warning in bold, which I take to mean: pay attention, I'm speaking as a mod now.^ Yes, I agree with this. Unfortunately, some people here enjoy drama and rather over-value the contributions of the more contentious members, imo. Maybe they sometimes react negatively to mod bans, and of course they have a right to do so. But what I hope is that every ban is preceded by a warning, and if a ban is justified, a mod has the strength of character to withstand a bit of griping

Just wondered if they had given up on the forum or something.

You could see that ban coming btw.

Jw, how long are their bans?

What you and TH seem to be overlooking is the difference between a joke and a personal attack. If someone is joking with someone else and they are uncomfortable with the humor they need to express themselves maturely in the thread, report it to a mod, or take it to PMs. Jokes are not off limit, but they can sometimes go over the line if peoples feelings get hurt(which is what the mods should and do monitor for from what ive seen). The problem is the way members deal with it not the mod team.

Hi friend. :wavey: I'm always eager to read your comments filled with utter disgust of us.

OH - 7 days
Chula - 5 days

Biased af, if you ask me. :laughing:

Did OH express he was joking or no?

Seems like some posts could of possibility been lost in translation.

Keep doing that and you'll be the next to receive a ban.

I'm certain that he was joking. He just crossed the line.

Fair enough.

Not one for personal sh*t either tbf.

^ Maybe I didn't mention it, but, yes, I know a personal insult is often a joke or vice versa. In that case it's usually pretty clear that no malice is intended, and no offense is taken, as TH explained in the paragraph of his that I quoted.

Offensiveness aside, I find it to be lazy form as a jokester.

Ad hominem best hominem. You fucking wanker.

Instant drama. Just add hominem.

Wow, aren't you guys glad I lurk as a guest? :laughing:


I'm sorry Occult got the banhammer, but I guess it was coming. My bigger issue was with Frown. Sorry, if I ruffle your feathers a little here, but you're a bit of a baiter. While I don't agree with Chula's reactions (his GIF attacking Texas Boy a few months ago was very banable imo), you have to admit you guys as a whole are pretty good at getting under his skin. And, Frown, it doesn't help when you respond to someone saying he's leaving under protest or whatever with this- :wave:


As an interested outsider (I'm still interested to see if the atmosphere really does improve here.) I agree that maybe some modifications should be considered in the mod ranks. I think there needs to be a commitment to be willing to have someone's back when he's attacked and certainly to try to soothe disagreements in threads when they get personal. One thing I would recommend is that other mods would intervene when insults are directed at a specific mod. We had a policy at the writing forum that you did not attack staff in thread and that has worked pretty well. Frown banning Chula looks rather biased considering their feud. It would have been better if other mods felt that the ban was necessary and someone else could have wielded the banhammer.

How you guys would revamp the mod ranks and how you conduct yourselves is up to you, but if you're looking for new blood, may I suggest Lisnaholic? I don't know if he'd be interested, but he is well liked and I think he would be a fair arbiter and maybe afford some protection for our more sensitive members.

Okay, I guess you guys are thinking, 'Is Rubber Soul back?' Honestly, I don't know. I'm still dealing with my mother's death to be honest, and I'm not sure I'm in the right state of mind as I discovered at my writing forum. Meanwhile, I'm still working on my top 25s that I'm slowly posting on a blog that nobody will see with some bad literature added. If I ever do make it to 2017 (I'm reviewing 1999 now) I may resume my journal if I do come back but that would be months down the road. Frown was right to some extent that my music knowledge in some periods are more on the surface; that's especially true with the more recent music as I'm more into 1963-1999 for the most part.

Anyhow, I think mods, ane maybe all members, need to know the difference between good natured ribbing, maybe some controversial subjects like Merit's conspiracy theories (which I have to admit are pretty entertaining), and downright personal swipes. I know it isn't all that easy and I know you have to err on the side of caution.

But when it obviously crosses the line, you can't be afraid to take action whether it be in thread warnings, a direct warning by PM (we never liked to confront an offender in thread at WF), or a ban. The disciplinary part of being a mod is always the hardest, but there are times you have to be a disciplinarian on rare occasions if you want to have a healthy forum where people who love music will want to join and stay.


Anyhow, I'm glad to see Troll back. I know it's hard to leave after putting in seven or eight years here. I'm still trying to wean from WF after three plus years so I get it.

And who knows? If there really is a commitment to a friendlier Musicbanter, maybe Pet Sounds will come back too, who knows?

Okay, rant over :)

Maybe the mods should just poll each ban before they happen so there isn't any discontent within the 'cave'.

Thanks for the input. Hopefully you're doing well and can post about music next time you drop by instead of reiterating why you left.

Well, maybe I will. You never know.

There is hardly ever any discontent in the 'cave'.

Probs because you lot don't give a https://i.imgur.com/NMiCsuG.jpg m8.

Yeah, we basically give zero three chimpanzees.

I foresaw this, and took the risk.

I didn't give enough of a monkeys to find a picture of one.

Thats more than 3 chimpanzees.. I see at least 5.

Do you give zero five chimpanzees!?

And that's what heroes do.

I'd like to know what JWB thinks about all this.

Considering though that he was not insulting you, but was taking issue with how you responded, I don't think it was fair. I mean, essentially he was doing the same thing I did, just phrasing it slightly differently. I think it would be disingenuous of you to deny that your personal dislike of/feud with Chula didn't have something to do with that.
I appreciate that, actually. I half-expected to come here and find I was banned, which would have confirmed you had gone total Boo-Boo on us. :D
Come down out of that tree and say that.
Surely that doesn't matter? Mods have been made/unmade before. I don't see what the admins have to do with it?
I was using you as an example of how silly it would be to ban me, or Chula, or anyone else. I didn't think you said anything untoward, I was just saying well if anyone raising any kind of dissenting opinion or the slightest, um, slight on another member qualifies as banworthy, you're in the firing line too. It was totally not what I would believe myself, and yes, in the context of what I saw happening, hype to the max.

Personal questions will get you a ban!
No, as I said, I have no problem being slagged off. Personal stuff doesn't bother me. Usually. Thanks to Batty I've learned to be more flexible and have had the stick surgically removed from up my arse. BUT sometimes it can go too far, and on those rare occasions it should be time for a mod to throw a bucket of ice water over the offenders and say "Knock it off, you two!"
Banned. :)
I actually though, on first glance, it was a picture of shit. Which would of course also have worked.
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Oh, and Christ yes! Lisna! Why didn't I think of that? A perfect choice, perhaps THE perfect choice. Make it happen (if he wants it). You couldn't ask for a better mod in waiting.
#Lisna4Mod2018

He called him a douche and then edited it out.

See posts #1393 and #1394

OK, I didn't see that. But I've been called worse, and he's called people worse (Frownland that is). Look, if he wants to ban him, I guess that's his prerogative as a mod, but I'd be happier knowing it wasn't just because it was Chula, and that he was looking for an excuse. And we all know it was. It would have been better to have given him a few more warnings, with the last one being "I'm serious here" or something, then there could be no accusations of a rush to judgement.

Still, this sort of thing proves why you'd make a good mod.

Let me just say that the 95% of the bad blood in our "feud" is on Chula's side. The 5% on my end is annoyance that he keeps dredging it up for no reason. I don't have anything against him and I'm never rude to him out of the blue, it's always because he's the one starting ****. Obviously something that I need to work on moving forward. And yes, phrasing is everything because it shows intent. You were respectful. He was not and continued to do so after being warned not to. He was then banned. This is after years of warnings not to personally attack people, so I considered my single warning to be adequate.

Maybe instead of viewing this in the context of my "feud" with Chula, people should consider viewing it within the context of Chula being abusive to virtually everybody on this forum.

I'm going to admit that's a fair point. I've spoken to him before about the things he says, but he never listens. Still, I would have been the bigger man and tried not to rise to it, at least not initially. After all, he can do nothing: you're the one with the power, and you know what Stan Lee said...

Batlord/OH say the most "too far" jokes of every member.. The only difference is Batlord gets away with it because for whatever reason it's perceived differently by certain members, like yourself. As I said, people need to grow the **** up and express when they feel like a joke has gone to far(which you have done in the past BTW, which is why i used you as an example) WITHOUT acting like Chula and just throwing out personal attacks that aren't joking. We don't need mods deciding what is and isn't too far if the parties involved are not making an issue out of the things being said. Stop trying to justify Chula's behavior as a defense for jokes he couldn't take. If he doesn't like the jokes directed at him the correct response is not to tell people to **** off and call them *******s.

I agree with this.