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Rainard Jalen 06-25-2008 06:56 AM
How about a dedicated New Members forum where all new members' posts have to go (as in they cannot post elsewhere); all would have a designated probationary period (a couple months?), and then if a special panel decides they are indeed serious posters, they are gradually integrated into the main forums.

Piss Me Off 06-25-2008 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch (Post 492908)
Suggestion #1- Move the New Members Intro to the very top of the opening page, and have all of the Moderator's introduce themselves with a quick summary and a very basic outline of forum policy/requirements.(I know I started posting before I even stumbled across the cool intro thread in the lounge...this site is so large that it's easy to get distracted and miss something as basic and necessary as this thread.)

Suggestion #2- A Banter Octagon,,,a sub forum where members can meet to really take the gloves off so to speak,,,if you are going to allow Pish etc...then why not a proper sub forum where almost anything goes, except very demeaning personal attacks, I don't think they have any place in a public forum.

Suggestion #3- Bumping old posts...the scale of history in your forum is astonishing to a new member,,,I have gotten lost more than once just looking over some of the ancient posts scattered throughout the popular threads. Maybe the Moderators could pick a few of the really good ones that are still relevant and resurrect them for new discussion. You know Urban picks 2 or more this week, Right Track next week etc....and then eventually they can be archived or locked.
1. I agree that the section should be somewhere a bit more visible, i think most people tend to miss it. If you have Mods barking the rules at them straight away though i think they'd probably get scared off. The best users always get posting straight away and latch on quick anyway.

2. I think it's been mentioned before. I don't like the idea of it, if you're going to let people flame each other somewhere then it'll inevitable end up leaking into into other areas as well.

3. This goes on a lot of the time anyway, i'm not sure if there needs to be a rota as such but i would definitely encourage it. Feel free to bump anything good yourself of course!

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Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492909)
How about a dedicated New Members forum where all new members' posts have to go (as in they cannot post elsewhere); all would have a designated probationary period (a couple months?), and then if a special panel decides they are indeed serious posters, they are gradually integrated into the main forums.
Dude hassle!

right-track 06-25-2008 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch (Post 492908)
it's just that you have all been "Bantering" for so long you're like a family at the dinner table, you say and do things with each other that you don't even think about anymore and yet to a new visitor it's hard to know when you say something how it will be received or dismissed out of hand, so many just say little or nothing at all.

Suggestion #1- Move the New Members Intro to the very top of the opening page, and have all of the Moderator's introduce themselves with a quick summary and a very basic outline of forum policy/requirements.(I know I started posting before I even stumbled across the cool intro thread in the lounge...this site is so large that it's easy to get distracted and miss something as basic and necessary as this thread.)

Suggestion #2- A Banter Octagon,,,a sub forum where members can meet to really take the gloves off so to speak,,,if you are going to allow Pish etc...then why not a proper sub forum where almost anything goes, except very demeaning personal attacks, I don't think they have any place in a public forum.

Suggestion #3- Bumping old posts...the scale of history in your forum is astonishing to a new member,,,I have gotten lost more than once just looking over some of the ancient posts scattered throughout the popular threads. Maybe the Moderators could pick a few of the really good ones that are still relevant and resurrect them for new discussion. You know Urban picks 2 or more this week, Right Track next week etc....and then eventually they can be archived or locked.
First off...welcome to the forums Sasquatch.

For years I've wanted MusicBanter to develop into more than just a message board and I hope that's how others see it.
The members here are from all corners of the world and come from very different backgrounds and the idea of MB being a friendly place to visit and chat about music (predominantly) and just about anything else in 'The Lounge' can only be good for the boards.
However, your point about the "Bantering...like a family at the dinner table" is valid, although I personally think it's a good thing. I recognise that it may make some new members feel a little left out.
So, I'd like to see more current (longer standing) members make the effort to welcome the newbs and join the rest of us "at the dinner table" so to speak.
In short, MusicBanter, like music, is for everybody...with the exception of low life, scum of the earth, time wasting trolling/spamming bastards.

Suggestion 1 is a good idea and I'll see what can be done.
Maybe a section of it's own above 'The Lounge'...I'll bring it up in 'Mods'.

Number 3 would be worth doing for some of the better, older threads. It's why we created the Editors Choice forum and maybe we should move some more in there too.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-25-2008 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492909)
How about a dedicated New Members forum where all new members' posts have to go (as in they cannot post elsewhere); all would have a designated probationary period (a couple months?), and then if a special panel decides they are indeed serious posters, they are gradually integrated into the main forums.
Only 2 sticking points with this.

1. Would you really join a forum where you had to wait 2 months to be included in the discussion.

2. Who's going to move all those posts to the main forums? The Mods? Sorry but i'd like some time to actually post here rather than just spend hours moving or deleting stuff.

Rainard Jalen 06-25-2008 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 492945)
Only 2 sticking points with this.

1. Would you really join a forum where you had to wait 2 months to be included in the discussion.

2. Who's going to move all those posts to the main forums? The Mods? Sorry but i'd like some time to actually post here rather than just spend hours moving or deleting stuff.
1: Call it a week, then, just to ascertain if it's a serious poster.

2: No need to move the posts, they can stay where they are.

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-25-2008 04:38 PM
I'm still not sure what your asking for here?

So we start a separate forum where new people are only allowed to post in for a week , which presumably will be full of duplicate threads of ones that are already here because of course the new people won't be able to post in the existing ones in the main forums. Only for a week later they're able to discuss these things in the main forums so the other threads in the noob forum become useless.
I don't really see what the benefit is here.

Ghostrider 06-25-2008 08:48 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rainard Jalen (Post 492909)
How about a dedicated New Members forum where all new members' posts have to go (as in they cannot post elsewhere); all would have a designated probationary period (a couple months?), and then if a special panel decides they are indeed serious posters, they are gradually integrated into the main forums.
That's a good concept Rainard but implementing it as Urban/PMO both pointed out would be a nightmare for the Mods, and they do so much already that it wouldn't be fair. I was thinking more along the lines of you know 25 posts where new members are given some leeway, instead of stomping on them,,,just post a helpful hint, you know what I mean,,,"That's a decent answer Sasquatch, but how about some more detail, you know the best song off the album why you like it,,,why they lost their focus and fell apart", that kind of helpful criticism. When a new member reaches 50 post let's say, the expectations are higher too,,,then the veterans can start engaging in more detail and intense discussions, "You know Sasquatch, that album sucked I can't believe you like it so much, I thought it was trash compared to the previous one". If this approach was used for a long enough period, the new members will automatically treat rookies the same way,,,which inevitably will be beneficial to the Mods and Veterans as well, by establishing a protocol that trains new members without embarrassing/intimidating them and hopefully frees up everyone else to post more fun/entertaining material.

Ghostrider 06-25-2008 09:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Piss Me Off (Post 492912)
1. I agree that the section should be somewhere a bit more visible, i think most people tend to miss it. If you have Mods barking the rules at them straight away though i think they'd probably get scared off. The best users always get posting straight away and latch on quick anyway.

2. I think it's been mentioned before. I don't like the idea of it, if you're going to let people flame each other somewhere then it'll inevitable end up leaking into into other areas as well.

3. This goes on a lot of the time anyway, i'm not sure if there needs to be a rota as such but i would definitely encourage it. Feel free to bump anything good yourself of course!




1. I don't agree with you about "The best users post right away and latch on quick anyway", have you noticed PMO that you have hardly any women members in your forum,,,they don't have the same attitude that the majority of members in Banter share. If you want to retain and invite new blood in here which is what Jackhammer started this thread with, then a few very small subtle changes might help accomplish that. Women pick up on things that sometimes slip past guys like us,,,a little tweak here and there and who knows what might happen. Can't hurt to try anyway.

2.I'm so glad you, Right Track, Urban and Rainard don't like the "Octagon" suggestion, I don't much care for flaming/swearing etc., but I wanted you all to know that I'm not a religious fanatic or anything, I work in construction and believe me I hear enough crap every day to fill a full page of your forum.

3. I suggested that one of the experienced Moderators think about this because they Know most of the really good stuff already stored in the old threads, I read a comment the other day by Urban complaining about someone resurrecting an old thread so that's why I suggested that you guys think about it. If it doesn't pan out then simply stop reviving old threads and carry on as usual.

Ghostrider 06-25-2008 09:44 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by right-track (Post 492943)
First off...welcome to the forums Sasquatch.

For years I've wanted MusicBanter to develop into more than just a message board and I hope that's how others see it.
The members here are from all corners of the world and come from very different backgrounds and the idea of MB being a friendly place to visit and chat about music (predominantly) and just about anything else in 'The Lounge' can only be good for the boards.
However, your point about the "Bantering...like a family at the dinner table" is valid, although I personally think it's a good thing. I recognise that it may make some new members feel a little left out.
So, I'd like to see more current (longer standing) members make the effort to welcome the newbs and join the rest of us "at the dinner table" so to speak.
In short, MusicBanter, like music, is for everybody...with the exception of low life, scum of the earth, time wasting trolling/spamming bastards.

Suggestion 1 is a good idea and I'll see what can be done.
Maybe a section of it's own above 'The Lounge'...I'll bring it up in 'Mods'.

Number 3 would be worth doing for some of the better, older threads. It's why we created the Editors Choice forum and maybe we should move some more in there too.
Thank you Right Track for the welcome, the content you have in this forum is what convinced me to join 2 weeks ago. The repartee you enjoy with your Banter friends is a natural evolution when you spend so much time with people who enjoy the same passions as you. In my other forum it's exactly the same, 4 of us act the same as the veterans and Moderators do in Banter, because we almost know what our friends are thinking before they even post it, and have varying opinions about numerous issues too, but after the dust settles we are all still friends. Thanks for considering some of my suggestions.

Oh,,,I have to ask, if I show up at the dinner table wearing my Manchester United jersey, would I still get a pint from the keg?...:beer:

Urban Hat€monger ? 06-25-2008 11:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Sasquatch (Post 493077)
1. I don't agree with you about "The best users post right away and latch on quick anyway", have you noticed PMO that you have hardly any women members in your forum,,,they don't have the same attitude that the majority of members in Banter share. If you want to retain and invite new blood in here which is what Jackhammer started this thread with, then a few very small subtle changes might help accomplish that. Women pick up on things that sometimes slip past guys like us,,,a little tweak here and there and who knows what might happen. Can't hurt to try anyway.
Oh i don't know about that , There are plenty of female posters here. You might have to look out for them though not all of them have girlie type user names. Not saying there couldn't be more but i've seen much more male dominated forums than this.

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2.I'm so glad you, Right Track, Urban and Rainard don't like the "Octagon" suggestion, I don't much care for flaming/swearing etc., but I wanted you all to know that I'm not a religious fanatic or anything, I work in construction and believe me I hear enough crap every day to fill a full page of your forum.
Don't know where you got the idea that I was against it , I didn't even comment on it. As it happens something like that has been discussed in the past. In fact I raised the idea before I was modded also. I think the consensus was that this forum was pretty laid back as it is & it wasn't really needed.

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3. I suggested that one of the experienced Moderators think about this because they Know most of the really good stuff already stored in the old threads, I read a comment the other day by Urban complaining about someone resurrecting an old thread so that's why I suggested that you guys think about it. If it doesn't pan out then simply stop reviving old threads and carry on as usual.
I don't have a problem with old posts being bumped. I have a problem with people bumping loads of old polls without bothering to post. Or people bumping silly lounge discussions quoting members who left this place years ago. It's common sense really , if you want to bump an old thread then do so to create fresh discussion. I don't think it should be down to mods as any member can do this.

There's been a lot of discussion of mods this & mods that , but there are only a handful of us. A lot of the things being discussed can be taken up by the members on this forum. You don't need your name to be bolded to self moderate yourselves.

Piss Me Off 06-26-2008 03:26 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sasquatch (Post 493077)
1. I don't agree with you about "The best users post right away and latch on quick anyway", have you noticed PMO that you have hardly any women members in your forum,,,they don't have the same attitude that the majority of members in Banter share. If you want to retain and invite new blood in here which is what Jackhammer started this thread with, then a few very small subtle changes might help accomplish that. Women pick up on things that sometimes slip past guys like us,,,a little tweak here and there and who knows what might happen. Can't hurt to try anyway.

2.I'm so glad you, Right Track, Urban and Rainard don't like the "Octagon" suggestion, I don't much care for flaming/swearing etc., but I wanted you all to know that I'm not a religious fanatic or anything, I work in construction and believe me I hear enough crap every day to fill a full page of your forum.

3. I suggested that one of the experienced Moderators think about this because they Know most of the really good stuff already stored in the old threads, I read a comment the other day by Urban complaining about someone resurrecting an old thread so that's why I suggested that you guys think about it. If it doesn't pan out then simply stop reviving old threads and carry on as usual.
Urban touched everything i would say really. It think there's quite a few females regulars here and even a few guys who pretend to be girls too :D I must admit i ahve no idea about the attitudes you're talking about though. I think it wouldn't be a good idea to treat some people differently just because of their gender.

Also regarding 3, there's always going to be threads that get bumped for no real reason. I think we should both 'carry on as usual' and bump anything good if there's going to be some good discussion. For instance if you've just got into an artist that is new to you there's no problem in searching the relevant thread and saying something about it.

Ghostrider 06-26-2008 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger (Post 493102)
Don't know where you got the idea that I was against it , I didn't even comment on it. As it happens something like that has been discussed in the past. In fact I raised the idea before I was modded also. I think the consensus was that this forum was pretty laid back as it is & it wasn't really needed.

I don't have a problem with old posts being bumped. I have a problem with people bumping loads of old polls without bothering to post. Or people bumping silly lounge discussions quoting members who left this place years ago. It's common sense really , if you want to bump an old thread then do so to create fresh discussion. I don't think it should be down to mods as any member can do this.

There's been a lot of discussion of mods this & mods that , but there are only a handful of us. A lot of the things being discussed can be taken up by the members on this forum. You don't need your name to be bolded to self moderate yourselves.
1. I simply assumed Urban that you were against the idea, or that it didn't warrant a comment, sorry for the mistaken assumption.(When you didn't comment about it and then started talking with RJ I just figured you weren't interested in the concept.)

2. Okay, I understand what you mean by bumping unnecessary threads, I was just thinking that you all must have some old favorites in the archives and could bring them back into discussion, and as I grow more comfortable in here I will definitely bump some myself.

3. All of that is true,,,but you are the Leaders of this forum, that is undisputed fact, anyone visiting here for the first time would notice instantly who's in charge. My idea of the intro by the Mods would help with the self moderating you mentioned, and just might help some members feel less hesitant about plunging into this forum.

Anyway I was just prompted by Jackhammer's request for suggestions about subtle improvements to help make the forum a little better, and thought I would participate and offer a few ideas. My comment about the women in this forum is simply an observation, a very good friend of mine wants to join Banter but feels a little unsure about it at this time. You are right though, some forums are almost 100% guys, and something is just missing when that happens, and I have noticed some prominent women members here already.

Rainard Jalen 06-26-2008 07:46 AM
All I'm really suggesting is that there should be a forum for brand new members where they have to post say 5 REAL posts before being allowed into the real forums, in order to show they are serious posters and not just some spam machine or obvious flamebater or whatever.

Alfred 06-26-2008 10:42 AM
More pop-punk fans! http://www.mysmiley.net/imgs/smile/mad/mad0050.gif

Molecules 06-26-2008 05:27 PM
get rid of all the confrontational, sexually frustrated arsewipes. some people just seem to love a good argument. *waits for pot-kettle-black rejoinder*

oh and has anybody else brought up the Musicbanter graphic at the top of the page? Would it cost anything to change?

sweet_nothing 06-26-2008 07:30 PM
the color scheme is just too blue

Farfisa 06-26-2008 09:57 PM
Can we please, please bring back the arcade please, please?

sweet_nothing 06-26-2008 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships (Post 493350)
Can we please, please bring back the arcade please, please?
what was the arcade?

Loser 06-27-2008 08:33 AM
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Originally Posted by loose_lips_sink_ships (Post 493350)
Can we please, please bring back the arcade please, please?
That was a waste of space...No one layed it or even cared.

insinkerator 09-28-2008 10:46 AM
I think it would be better to change the way the reviews are presented.... non forum style would be good, ordered alphabetically or something...

Also, im kinda confused about the differences between this thread and forum as regards suggestions... are all suggestions limited to this thread or, can new threads be started too?

Davey Moore 10-11-2008 01:48 PM
I personally think it would be a better idea if we didn't use the shout box. We are a big enough community that setting up an IRC room wouldn't be out of the question or unreasonable. Personally, I prefer IRC, but that's just me.

simplephysics 10-11-2008 03:16 PM
I like the idea of having a music banter chat, also it would be cool if we had a collective mediafire account, where everyone had their own folders or something..

jackhammer 10-11-2008 03:24 PM
A chat room has been mentioned numerous times and we did have one a while back but no one used it. As for a mediafire account: it sounds like a good idea but how could everyone access it? Each person would have to make sure they logged out each time they were in there. I will look into this a little more.

Davey Moore 10-11-2008 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by dreadnaught (Post 529672)
I like the idea of having a music banter chat, also it would be cool if we had a collective mediafire account, where everyone had their own folders or something..
That's a great idea too. Do any of the mods know how to work IRC and be an op on chatrooms?

Also, you can have little java applets that link to an IRC room for those too lazy to get a superior IRC program :p:

Double X 10-19-2008 08:12 PM
Why is the world music forum closed? I would have liked to discuss northern indian classical...would that just go in the classical section then? Even though I think I have there are only American/European Classical there.

sleepy jack 10-19-2008 10:05 PM
http://www.musicbanter.com/country-folk-world-music/

It's not?

Double X 10-20-2008 03:31 PM
Wow, basically I am insane. Sorry about that.

anticipation 10-20-2008 03:50 PM
just scrap the whole thing and turn it into lolcatbanter.

Alfred 10-20-2008 04:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by dreadnaught (Post 529672)
it would be cool if we had a collective mediafire account, where everyone had their own folders or something..
I really like this idea, if it would work.

The Unfan 10-20-2008 05:24 PM
I'd be down with a collective mediafire account. If we wanted to upgrade I'd have no problem chipping in.

As for improvements I think providing users with a custom @musicbanter.com e-mail address would be nifty.

FaSho 10-26-2008 12:59 PM
I would like to try the mediafire account again.

simplephysics 10-27-2008 03:45 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by anticipation (Post 533280)
just scrap the whole thing and turn it into lolcatbanter.
I really like this idea, if it would work.

AwesomePlaylist 10-27-2008 03:55 PM
Music forums are always going to be really difficult. Either:
1.) It devolves into "Thin Lizzy Sucks", "No Thin Lizzy Rocks", which is a complete waste of time. Certainly most people who like music no there are no absolutes and saying something "sucks" is equivalent to "doesn't click with me."
2.) It doesn't devolve and turns into a boring love fest with no conversation where everyone agrees to the rectitude of everyone else's preferences and there's no discussion.

I think the key is to go for relativism. The new X album rocks/sucks is kind of a pointless discussion, but "is Destroyer awesome-er than every other KISS album put together?" is something people can discuss without being adversarial. How you encourage that kind of discussion is a separate matter of course.

FaSho 10-27-2008 03:56 PM
^^^Clearly hasn't looked around much on MB.

Urban Hat€monger ? 10-27-2008 04:32 PM
Thin Lizzy sucks

Akira 10-27-2008 04:35 PM
No Thin Lizzy rocks

simplephysics 10-27-2008 04:40 PM
Love Shack > Thin Lizzy

jackhammer 10-27-2008 04:51 PM
I love everyone but wish we had more conversation.

right-track 10-27-2008 05:01 PM
I hate everybody and wish you'd all STFU!

jk of course.

Son of JayJamJah 10-27-2008 05:08 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jackhammer (Post 536343)
I love everyone but wish we had more conversation.
I'm less tickled with the people here as a whole, but still think it's a fine site, the copycat list threads become overwhelming however and I'll take at least part of the blame, I've got 3-4 to my name in the past 18 months.

I still think we need more info in the profiles section. It'd be nice to have a better idea of who you're talking to.


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