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Sneer · 11-04-2006, 09:02 PM

from a view of hindsight they are seen as new wave because they are the instigators of the movement. Definetly in the case of television though modern lovers could be seen as more protopunk. Television were an art-rock band that ties closely in with new wave. they are widely regarded as one of the main founders which is why i see them as new wave.

~~hiu~~ · 11-04-2006, 09:17 PM

By what you have said in this thread The Clash on London Calling and subsequent albums should be classified as a new wave band. A band can be a punk band and not have to sound like the Sex Pistols.

Sneer · 11-04-2006, 09:29 PM

thats just idiotic. Im fully aware of this, im not some 10 year old who recently found out Green Day are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Television to me ARE New Wave because of the overwhelming influence they've had on it. They in my eyes were not punk, they were art-rock which laid the foundations for what was to become New Wave. they formed in '73, they were around before punk was even in. Although they were the group that kicked off the CBGB scene i just dont think their sound is punk. Hells stuff with the Voidoids and Heartbreakers is punk, but with television...no. That doesnt mean no other band can be classified as punk. Your just clasping at straws knowing fully well i have a very valid point in the extensive differences between new wave and punk.

~~hiu~~ · 11-04-2006, 10:09 PM

Of course their are differences, that's why it's called New Wave and not Punk. Categorically though, it's just an offshoot of punk, just as hardcore is an offshoot of punk. Or post punk. They all fall under the umbrella term of punk because that was what they were influenced by and were part of and was the link between all the different bands. The Slits could incorporate dub and The Scientists could incorporate blues but what linked these bands together was the fact that they were influenced by punk. The same applies to psychobilly and that's why all these bands should be put in the punk forum.

Sneer · 11-05-2006, 01:55 PM

New Wave i'd accept appearing in the punk forum if i had to. But Psychobilly? No ****ing way. thats ridiculous. Its so empirically different to punk. so what if it is rockabilly with a punk attitude? its ROCKABILLY. With an overwhelming influence from horror films and literature. It also incorporates surf and garage rock. Its just close enough to punk. If i dont get this subforum the only place im placing threads on psychobilly is in the General music forum.

~~hiu~~ · 11-05-2006, 09:41 PM

Most of the bands are punk bands with some rockabilly influences with the exception of the early influences on the genre. The Quakes, Guana Batz, Mad Sin and Demented Are Go right though to the bands popular today like Tiger Army and Nekromantix are all pretty much just punk bands. The only stuff you could say wasn't punk influenced was stuff like The Reverend Horton Heat which I wouldn't classify as psychobilly really. Pretty much all these bands played with other punk bands and were on generally punk labels. Personally I think most of it is boring shit and not worth listening to anyway.

11-04-2006, 09:02 PM	#31 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	from a view of hindsight they are seen as new wave because they are the instigators of the movement. Definetly in the case of television though modern lovers could be seen as more protopunk. Television were an art-rock band that ties closely in with new wave. they are widely regarded as one of the main founders which is why i see them as new wave. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

11-04-2006, 09:29 PM	#33 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	thats just idiotic. Im fully aware of this, im not some 10 year old who recently found out Green Day are the greatest thing since sliced bread. Television to me ARE New Wave because of the overwhelming influence they've had on it. They in my eyes were not punk, they were art-rock which laid the foundations for what was to become New Wave. they formed in '73, they were around before punk was even in. Although they were the group that kicked off the CBGB scene i just dont think their sound is punk. Hells stuff with the Voidoids and Heartbreakers is punk, but with television...no. That doesnt mean no other band can be classified as punk. Your just clasping at straws knowing fully well i have a very valid point in the extensive differences between new wave and punk. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show

11-05-2006, 01:55 PM	#35 (permalink)
Sneer Let it drip Join Date: Nov 2004 Posts: 5,430	New Wave i'd accept appearing in the punk forum if i had to. But Psychobilly? No **ing way. thats ridiculous. Its so empirically different to punk. so what if it is rockabilly with a punk attitude? its ROCKABILLY. With an overwhelming influence from horror films and literature. It also incorporates surf and garage rock. Its just close enough to punk. If i dont get this subforum the only place im placing threads on psychobilly is in the General music forum. __________________ LastFM Sneer's Emporium of Sound Fright Team radio show**

11-04-2006, 09:17 PM	#32 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	By what you have said in this thread The Clash on London Calling and subsequent albums should be classified as a new wave band. A band can be a punk band and not have to sound like the Sex Pistols.

11-04-2006, 10:09 PM	#34 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Of course their are differences, that's why it's called New Wave and not Punk. Categorically though, it's just an offshoot of punk, just as hardcore is an offshoot of punk. Or post punk. They all fall under the umbrella term of punk because that was what they were influenced by and were part of and was the link between all the different bands. The Slits could incorporate dub and The Scientists could incorporate blues but what linked these bands together was the fact that they were influenced by punk. The same applies to psychobilly and that's why all these bands should be put in the punk forum.

11-05-2006, 09:41 PM	#36 (permalink)
~~hiu~~ Account Disabled Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 1,174	Most of the bands are punk bands with some rockabilly influences with the exception of the early influences on the genre. The Quakes, Guana Batz, Mad Sin and Demented Are Go right though to the bands popular today like Tiger Army and Nekromantix are all pretty much just punk bands. The only stuff you could say wasn't punk influenced was stuff like The Reverend Horton Heat which I wouldn't classify as psychobilly really. Pretty much all these bands played with other punk bands and were on generally punk labels. Personally I think most of it is boring shit and not worth listening to anyway.