The Music Banter top 500-A response to the Rolling Stone 500
 

From now until the end of the year lets attempt to have some fun.


In this thread, post your top 20 favorite records in your order of preference. Meaning, if Gun's and Roses Chinese Democracy is your personal all time favorite album, you would rank it at number 1.

How is this going to work?

At the end of the year, I will go through all the lists, hopefully we will have a massive landslide of lists, and tabulate them using this formula:

The record with the lowest number of combined rankings will be considered the best album of all time.

Examples.

Lets say based on three peoples rankings, GnR's Chinese Democracy had rankings of 1, 10, and 20. That would be a combined score of 31.

Now, lets say the Beatles Rubber Soul was also in 3 peoples rankings, and those rankings were 1, 1, and 5, for a combined score of 7.

Rubber Soul would be ranked higher than Chinese Democracy.

Is that easy enough?

But what do we do if a lot of people only rank rare, obscure records and we have a bunch of one-sees.

Well, we really want a lot of input from everyone, so the more lists, the better our overall list will be. Will we actually get 500 records? I don't know, but we can try, and I willing to do all the work tabulating everything at the end. ( I'm a spreadsheet master!)

This will run starting now until the very end of the year, if this thread takes off we can prolong it but this will run at least until December 31, Admin approved of course.

The only requirement is, you have to be a member here.

Of course discussions are always encouraged as are blurbs associated to the albums you choose to rank.

Lets have some fun, post your top 20 of all time!





Chips Fontaine

NO WAY!

I genuinely had this idea once before but I thought the amount of time and effort it would take to calculate this as well as actually getting the people involved would be a nightmare.
I am so up for this though, Chips. It's a cracking idea.

We'd need 25 members to participate and none of their choices to match though to make 500. Perhaps just a top 100/200 would be more feasible. However, get one of the Mod's to sticky this.

Let me have until this time tomorrow to contemplate the ordering of my top 20 and I'll give you the first submission.

(EDIT: Pretty sure this came straight from SOMB - use of the word 'Admin' but never mind, glad someone brought it up)

Should we have rules for albums like no various artists packages and no greatest hits comps.?

This is a brilliant idea and I will contribute.

Very good question, because I was wondering if I should include a mixtape or not.

I will never be completely happy with this, but here's where I stand as of right now.

20 Leonard Cohen - Songs of Love and Hate (1971)
19 The Chameleons - Script of the Bridge (1983)
18 Slowdive - Souvlaki (1993)
17 The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Electric Ladyland (1968)
16 Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica (1969)
15 Genius/GZA - Liquid Swords (1995)
14 K Dot O Dot - Trap Jesus (2011)
13 The Replacements - Tim (1985)
12 The Fall - Live at the Witch Trials (1979)
11 Madvillain - Madvillainy (2004)
10 Catherine Wheel - Ferment (1992)
9 Luxuria - Unanswerable Lust (1988)
8 The Gris Gris - The Gris Gris (2004)
7 The Church - Priest = Aura (1992)
6 Boom Bip & Dose One - Circle (2000)
5 The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses (1989)
4 The Auteurs - New Wave (1993)
3 El-P - Fantastic Damage (2002)
2 Catherine Wheel - Chrome (1993)
1 Aesop Rock - Labor Days (2001)

I've already edited the list lol

Right, here goes.

20. The Dismemberment Plan - Emergency & I (1999)
19. Jeff Buckley - Grace (1994)
18. Pulp - Different Class (1995)
17. The Menzingers - On the Impossible Past (2012)
16. Genesis - Invisible Touch (1986)
15. Captain We're Sinking - The Future is Cancelled (2013)
14. The Weeknd - House of Balloons (2011)
13. The Wonder Years - The Greatest Generation (2013)
12. The Streets - A Grand Don't Come For Free (2004)
11. Elliott Smith - Either/Or (1997)
10. This Town Needs Guns - Animals (2008)
9. Danny Brown - XXX (2011)
8. Jimmy Eat World - Clarity (1999)
7. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (1998)
6. The Wrens - Meadowlands (2003)
5. Arab Strap - Philophobia (1998)
4. Kendrick Lamar - Good Kid, Mad City (2012)
3. Weezer - Pinkerton (1996)
2. Brand New - The Devil & God Are Raging Inside of Me (2006)
1. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)

20. Paul & Linda McCartney - Ram (1971)
19. Tom Petty - Wildflowers (1994)
18. Heartless Bastards - Arrow (2012)
17. Ween - The Mollusk (1997)
16. Wilco - Summerteeth (1999)
15. Fanfarlo - Reservoir (2009)
14. Klaatu - Hope (1977)
13. Built To Spill - Keep It Like A Secret (1999)
12. Pretty Things - S. F. Sorrow (1968)
11. Jack Drag - The Suin Inside (2002)
10. Kinks - Something Else By The Kinks (1967)
9. Built To Spill - Perfect From Now On (1997)
8. Love - Forever Changes (1967)
7. Jack Drag - Soft Songs LP: Aviating (2000)
6. Radiohead - OK Computer (1997)
5. Beatles - The Beatles (White Album) (1968)
4. Flaming Lips - The Soft Bulletin (1999)
3. Eels - Beautiful Freak (1996)
2. Beatles - Abbey Road (1969)
1. Zombies - Odessey & Oracle (1968)

I'm gonna try for this, but don't expect it anytime soon. I'm not much for ranking things, so this is going to take a while even to come up with the albums I'll be considering.


But if no one mentions Nickelback's Silver Side Up except for one guy who puts it as his number one then won't that invalidate this forum's entire existence?

I think you mean Radiohead and that's already been covered in the list before your post.

What? No, I'm saying that according to his rules it sounds like since Silver Side Up would have a score of 1, it would be at or tied for top spot. If Music Banter's official position is that Nickelback has recorded the greatest album ever made then I am leaving this site.

I don't think it works out that way but I won't explain his process.

I'll let him do that.

Surely it makes more sense to award the #1 albums 20 points? #2 gets 19 and so on.

20. Deftones - Saturday Night Wrist (2006)
19. The Smiths - The Queens is Dead (1986)
18. Swans - The Seer (2012)
17. Kayo Dot - Choirs of the Eye (2003)
16. Slint - Spiderland (1991)
15. A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory (1991)
14. Broken Social Scene - Broken Social Scene (2005)
13. Tom Waits - The Heart of Saturday Night (1974)
12. Grizzly Bear - Yellow House (2006)
11.Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (2000)
10. Queens of the Stone Age - Songs for the Deaf (2002)
9. Gorillaz - Demon Days (2005)
8. Pink Floyd - Animals (1977)
7. Cloudkicker - Beacons (2010)
6. Opeth - Damnation (2003)
5. The Mars Volta - Frances the Mute (2005)
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F#A# (Infinity) (1997)
3. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
2. Miles Davis - Kind of Blue (1959)
1. The Mars Volta - Deloused in the Comatorium (2003)

Posting to subscribe. Will contribute later.

it's nowhere near perfect, but yeah... why not

1. The Microphones - The Glow Pt. 2 (2001)
2. A Silver Mt. Zion - He Has Left Us Alone but Shafts of Light Sometimes Grace the Corner of Our Rooms... (2000)
3. Modest Mouse - The Moon & Antarctica (2000)
4. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven (2000)
5. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
6. Swans - Children of God (1987)
7. Godspeed You! Black Emperor - F♯ A♯ ∞ (1998)
8. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea (1998)
9. The Antlers - Hospice (2009)
10. Boards of Canada - Geogaddi (2002)
11. This Will Destroy You - This Will Destroy You (2008)
12. Michael Andrews - Donnie Darko (2002)
13. Modest Mouse - The Lonesome Crowded West (1997)
14. The Cure - Pornography (1982)
15. A Silver Mt. Zion - Horses in the Sky (2005)
16. Akira Yamaoka - Silent Hill 2 (2001)
17. St. Vincent - Actor (2009)
18. Sigur Rós - Ágætis byrjun (1999)
19. Cage The Elephant - Melophobia (2013)
20. Agalloch - The Mantle (2002)

Yes, this would be the correct formula. My original formula was conceived under in the influence of lack of sleep and heavy doses of narcotic laced buttermilk.

I will edit the original post when I get home with all relevent corrections.

Also it would not be fair to include greatest hits compilations in this.

Let me know if there are any other ground rules you all would like fleshed out.



Chips.

Other than Labor Days being voted #1 by default I don't think we need to cover any more bases.

1. Ramshackle Glory - Live the Dream
2. The Smashing Pumpkins - Siamese Dream
3. The World is a Beautiful Place & I Am No Longer Afraid to Die - Whenever, If Ever
4. Faith No More - King For A Day, Fool For A Lifetime
5. NoMeansNo - Wrong
6. Circle Takes the Square - As the Roots Undo
7. Acid Bath - When the Kite Strings Pop
8. The Doors - Waiting For The Sun
9. Shpongle – Are You Shpongled?
10. Gridlink - Amber Gray
11. Rudimentary Peni - Death Church
12. Days n' Daze - Rogue Taxidermy
13. Phutureprimitive - Kinetik
14. Sonic Youth - Daydream Nation
15. Choking Victim - No Gods, No Managers
16. Orchid - Dance Tonight! Revolution Tomorrow!
17. Boards of Canada - Geogaddi
18. The Olivia Tremor Control - Black Foliage: Animation Music, Volume 1
19. Catch 22 – Keasbey Nights
20. Slint - Spiderland

1. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
2. The Smiths - Meat is Murder
3. Neutral Milk Hotel - In the Aeroplane Over the Sea
4. Gang of Four - Entertainment!
5. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
6. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
7. The Beatles - Revolver
8. Pink Floyd - Piper at the Gates of Dawn
9. Pink Floyd - Dark Side of the Moon
10. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
11. Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
12. The Beatles - Rubber Soul
13. Radiohead - Kid A
14. The Clash - London Calling
15. The Hives - Veni Vidi Vicious
16. Jeff Buckley - Grace
17. Simon and Garfunkel - Bookends
18. The Zombies - Odyssey and Oracle
19. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
20. At the Drive-In - Relationship of Command

On the cusp:

John Coltrane - Blue Train
The Replacements - Tim
Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures
The Libertines - Up the Bracket (just listened it it for the first time, but I really really liked it right off the bat)
Rage Against the Machine - Rage Against the Machine
Glenn Branca - The Ascension
The The - Mind Bomb
The Smiths - The Smiths

I was thinking, should there not be a multiplier in place for albums that appear on numerous lists?

Say Goofle puts Album A as his second choice, that would earn that album 19 points.
Say myself, Briks, Ninetails and WhateverDude put the Album B on all of our lists but at lower rankings than 2nd, say we ranked it 18th, 12th, 20th and 15th respectively.

Album B would have 16 points. Album A, Goofle voted, and say it was just Goofle that voted it, would have 19 points, would rank higher despite only being mentioned once.
Surely the album that was mentioned four times would be better representative of a Music Banter (as a whole) top 500?

This is a hypothetical. I used everyone hypothetically.

I'm just using this as an excuse to see what everyone claims to be their top 20 albums. I couldn't care less what the outcome is. Just being honest here. I just wanna see what you all like and if you guys can give me a new album to love.

I think the multiplier idea would work. Or at least adding an additional number of points for every list an album appears on. It will be interesting to see how the final results compare to this list http://www.musicbanter.com/general-m...rding-rym.html

Anyway will update with a list soon

1. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
2. Peter Brötzmann Octet - Machine Gun
3. Marc Ribot - Saints
4. Huun-Huur-Tu and The Bulgarian Voices Angelite - Fly, Fly My Sadness
5. Madvillain - Madvillainy
6. John Coltrane - Meditations
7. Billy Woods - History Will Absolve Me
8. Keiji Haino - Koko
9. Wolves In Sheepskin - Indecent Vibrations
10. Matana Roberts - Coin Coin Chapter One: Gens de Colour Libres
11. Eric Dolphy - Out to Lunch!
12. Naked City - Torture Garden
13. Sonny Sharrock - Ask the Ages
14. United States of America - United States of America
15. This Heat - This Heat
16. Fantômas - Fantômas
17. Derek Bailey, Evan Parker, and Han Bennink - Topography of the Lungs
18. The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Axis: Bold As Love
19. The Fall - Hex Enduction Hour
20. Sunn O))) - Black One

Not the ideal order but close enough.

And Manky's issue with the goal of 500 is definitely true. I doubt even if we could get to 500 that past maybe a hundred the list would be any good. It'd probably just be a collection of a bunch of albums only mentioned at the tail end of just one of each of our lists. Also, the dude who made the thread is a newb, no offense, so there's no guarantee he/she'll be around when it's time to tally the scores. If so there needs to be others willing to pick up the slack, specially since in a few months people are probably going to forget it even needs to be done. Also a good reason to sticky it so it doesn't get lost somewhere around page ten. There's obviously enough interest to justify that.

I did something like this on another forum years ago and for tabulating I thought it was more important how many lists an album appeared on rather than the position, which is why I would give every album an additional x amount of points for each list it was on.

Come on people lets vote "Silver Side Up" as the numero uno album, and say adios to Los SeñorBatinos. http://www.singapore-forum.com/forum...s/banane18.gif

Up to this point in time, this is what i've selected from my musical journey.

1. The Queen Is Dead - The Smiths
2. Abbey Road - The Beatles
3. (What's the Story) Morning Glory - Oasis
4. Is This It - The Strokes
5. Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd
6. Stadium Arcadium - Red Hot Chili Peppers
7. House of Balloons - The Weeknd
8. Pet Sounds - The Beach Boys
9. Loaded - The Velvet Underground
10. Plastic Ono Band - John Lennon
11. For Emma, Forever Ago - Bon Iver
12. Magical Mystery Tour - The Beatles (not really an album, close enough)
13. The Stones Roses - The Stone Roses
14. Room on Fire - The Strokes
15. The Velvet Underground & Nico - The Velvet Underground
16. Trans Europe Express - Kraftwerk
17. Parachutes - Coldplay
18. Houses of the Holy - Led Zeppelin
19. Morgen - Morgen
20. Back in Black - AC/DC

:yeah:

Did you make that emoticon up or does that just exist for no apparent reason?

Stone Roses could win this shit.

Yeah, let anyone who tries to say that metal and hip hop are the biggest genres on this site look at these Smiths-loving lists. Alternative is and probably always will be king here.

I don't think anyone would say that tbh.

dad rock is most popular on this site, it's a well documented fact.

I've heard a few people say it. At least enough that it stuck in my head.

Define "dad rock".

anything Trollheart listens to...

Naa, but in all seriousness, I reckon AOR, classic rock even up to 60's/70's progressive.

Rock Manky doesn't like. :D

I think the only person on this site who's taste in music is more derided would be DJ.

I use the term dad rock very lightheartedly towards the older members.
I know music's subjective, I'm not one of the pretentious people who'll say "your music taste is bad, listen to something I like, but if you do I'll have to now hate it"
I'm cool with everyone liking different things.

Out of interest what would you define as dad rock?

Music that a dad would listen to I imagine. Classic rock and hair bands these days I suppose.

Would be sweet. Best album ever.