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FaSho 08-10-2014 06:00 PM

This is just preliminary and will probably be edited heavily before the year is up. Pretty crazy how high up house of balloons could end up being. (though it might not stay on my list)

20. The Weeknd - House of Balloons (2011)
19. Morrissey - Viva Hate (1988)
18. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994)
17. The Cure - The Head on the Door (1985)
16. Gorillaz - Demon Days (2005)
15. MF DOOM - Operation: Doomsday (1999)
14. Sigur Ros - () (2002)
13. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)
12. Iron & Wine - The Creek Drank the Cradle (2002)
11. Weezer - Blue Album (1994)
10. Elliott Smith - XO (1998)
9. The Avett Brothers – Emotionalism (2007)
8. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
7. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
6. Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning (2005)
5. Kanye West - The College Dropout (2004)
4. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago (2008)
3. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead (1986)
2. Brand New - Your Favorite Weapon (2001)
1. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005)

Neapolitan 08-10-2014 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Fontaine (Post 1477084)
From now until the end of the year lets attempt to have some fun.


In this thread, post your top 20 favorite records in your order of preference. Meaning, if Gun's and Roses Chinese Democracy is your personal all time favorite album, you would rank it at number 1.

How is this going to work?

At the end of the year, I will go through all the lists, hopefully we will have a massive landslide of lists, and tabulate them using this formula:

The record with the lowest number of combined rankings will be considered the best album of all time.

Examples.

Lets say based on three peoples rankings, GnR's Chinese Democracy had rankings of 1, 10, and 20. That would be a combined score of 31.

Now, lets say the Beatles Rubber Soul was also in 3 peoples rankings, and those rankings were 1, 1, and 5, for a combined score of 7. Rubber Soul would be ranked higher than Chinese Democracy.

Is that easy enough?


Chips Fontaine


Say if only one person has say e.g. Radiohead - Kid A at 7 that would be the same score as Rubber Soul with 7 points with 3 mentions all which are a higher ranking. Rubber Soul could have an average of 2.33... and a note with how many mentions the album gets. But if Sgt Pepper's had nine #1s and one #20 that would be 2.9 and that is lower than Rubber Soul's 2.33.

I think it's hard to come up with a formula Statistically that has a final score that makes sense.

Chips Fontaine 08-10-2014 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1477431)
Say if only one person has say e.g. Radiohead - Kid A at 7 that would be the same score as Rubber Soul with 7 points with 3 mentions all which are a higher ranking. Rubber Soul could have an average of 2.33... and a note with how many mentions the album gets. But if Sgt Pepper's had nine #1s and one #20 that would be 2.9 and that is lower than Rubber Soul's 2.33.

I think it's hard to come up with a formula Statistically that has a final score that makes sense.

I have fixed the formula but have yet to edit the original post due to working on the spreadsheet so far.

Rest assured, everything is groovy.

And to answer the question brought up about my participation to this, I'm totally committed to this, and I'm working on it as soon as I see new entries. My lack of posts within this thread does not mean I'm not here. The one thing I will not do is post what I have been working on so that this does not become a contest to make a certain record the best, this is about each person's who submits a list to be counted. people not associated to magazines or editors with axes to grind or agendas, everyday people.

Can we get to 500?

I think we can, we are well over 100 as of right now and this thread is not even a week old, the thread lasts until the end of the year.


So worry not about me, I will do my duty.


Chips Fontaine

Scotty The Redneck 08-10-2014 11:16 PM

We'll probably get the 500. Its just that narrowing it down to just 20 albums is a bit tough. I'm going to give it a whirl later. I've got to come up with a list that I am good with.

djchameleon 08-10-2014 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Fontaine (Post 1477477)

Can we get to 500?

I'll do mines sometime in the future.

Stop pressuring me man. Get off my back.

Temporary101 08-11-2014 05:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neapolitan (Post 1477431)
Say if only one person has say e.g. Radiohead - Kid A at 7 that would be the same score as Rubber Soul with 7 points with 3 mentions all which are a higher ranking. Rubber Soul could have an average of 2.33... and a note with how many mentions the album gets. But if Sgt Pepper's had nine #1s and one #20 that would be 2.9 and that is lower than Rubber Soul's 2.33.

I think it's hard to come up with a formula Statistically that has a final score that makes sense.

How about 20 points for #1, 19 for #2, etc., multiplied by the number of lists the album appears in.

e.g. Silver Side Up is ranked #1 only once for a score of 20 x 1 = 20. Nevermind is ranked #15, #16, and #19 for a score of 13 x 3 = 39.

It could also be 2.0 and 3.9.

14232949 08-11-2014 08:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FaSho (Post 1477407)
This is just preliminary and will probably be edited heavily before the year is up. Pretty crazy how high up house of balloons could end up being. (though it might not stay on my list)

20. The Weeknd - House of Balloons (2011)
19. Morrissey - Viva Hate (1988)
18. The Notorious B.I.G. - Ready to Die (1994)
17. The Cure - The Head on the Door (1985)
16. Gorillaz - Demon Days (2005)
15. MF DOOM - Operation: Doomsday (1999)
14. Sigur Ros - () (2002)
13. Kanye West - My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy (2010)
12. Iron & Wine - The Creek Drank the Cradle (2002)
11. Weezer - Blue Album (1994)
10. Elliott Smith - XO (1998)
9. The Avett Brothers – Emotionalism (2007)
8. The Beatles - Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (1967)
7. Radiohead - Kid A (2000)
6. Bright Eyes - I'm Wide Awake, It's Morning (2005)
5. Kanye West - The College Dropout (2004)
4. Bon Iver - For Emma, Forever Ago (2008)
3. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead (1986)
2. Brand New - Your Favorite Weapon (2001)
1. Sufjan Stevens - Illinois (2005)

Your Favorite Weapon's your favourite (notice dat British spelling, lol) Brand New album?
Good to see them and Weezer so high up.

Anteater 08-11-2014 04:06 PM

20. Dimension - Fifth Dimension (1995)
19. Leon Ware - Rockin' You Eternally (1981)
18. Mahavishnu Orchestra - Apocalypse (1974)
17. Work Of Art - Artwork (2008)
16. Nujabes - Metaphorical Music (2001)
15. Ozric Tentacles - Waterfall Cities (1999)
14. Tatsuro Yamashita - Melodies (1983)
13. Dream Theater - Images & Words (1992)
12. Sleepytime Gorilla Museum - Of Natural History (2004)
11. Goldie - Timeless (1995)
10. Yes - Relayer (1974)
9. Jonn Serrie - And The Stars Go With You (1987)
8. Devin Townsend - Ocean Machine: Biomech (1995)
7. W.A.S.P. - The Headless Children (1989)
6. Emperor - In The Nightside Eclipse (1994)
5. Type O Negative - October Rust (1996)
4. David Helpling & Jon Jenkins - The Crossing (2010)
3. Frost* - Milliontown (2006)
2. Tears For Fears - The Seeds Of Love (1989)
1. Moon Safari - [Blomljud] (2008)

YorkeDaddy 08-21-2014 10:43 AM

20. Wire - Chairs Missing
19. Tom Waits - Rain Dogs
18. Tipper - Broken Soul Jamboree
17. The Stones Roses - The Stone Roses
16. Talking Heads - Remain in Light
15. Nick Drake - Pink Moon
14. Animal Collective - Strawberry Jam
13. The Flaming Lips - Yoshimi Battles the Pink Robots
12. Ramones - Rocket to Russia
11. Cat Stevens - Tea for the Tillerman
10. Chvrches - The Bones of What You Believe
9. The Clash - London Calling
8. Brian Eno - Another Green World
7. The National - Boxer
6. David Bowie - Low
5. Cocteau Twins - Heaven or Las Vegas
4. Paul Simon - Graceland
3. The Replacements - Let It Be
2. Elliott Smith - Either/Or
1. The Antlers - Hospice

The Batlord 08-21-2014 12:44 PM

^^^

I'm probably putting Tim in my top 20, but props on the Replacements.

Goofle 08-21-2014 12:46 PM

Aye bro. Made my list.

YorkeDaddy 08-21-2014 12:47 PM

I've noticed that Goofle prefers Tim as well which is interesting to me. I find Tim to be a wonderful record, but Let It Be is just a little more consistent and there's a couple tracks on Tim that I find to be pretty horrendous (Lay It Down Clown). Replace a couple of the mediocre tracks on Tim with Unsatisfied/I Will Dare/Androgynous and we'd have a flawless album imo.

Sparky 08-21-2014 10:03 PM

1.) Keys to the Kuffs-JJ Doom
2.)Madvillian-Madlib/doom
3.) In rainbows-radiohead
4.) In utero-nirvana
5.) Fantastic Damage-el-p
6.) Double Nickels on the Dime-Minutemen
7.) Live at the Witch trials-the fall
8.) Enter 36 Chambers-wu tang
9.) Engine Takes to Water-june of 44
10.) 77-talking heads
11.) Bazooka tooth-aesop rock
12.)Horses-patti smith
13.) Walls and Bridges-john lennon
14.) spiderland-slint
15.) Born like this-doom
16.) Slanted Enchanted-pavement
17.) Nevermind-nirvana
18.) Stankonia-outkast
19.) Nehru Jackets-heems
20.) Stop Making Sense-talking heads

totosama 08-21-2014 11:25 PM

1 - Bad Brains - Roir Sessions
2 - The Stooges - Funhouse
3 - Marvin Gaye - What's Going On
4 - Fugazi - Repeater
5 - Serge Gainsbourg - L'Homme à Tête de Chou
6 - The Smiths - The Queen Is Dead
7 - The Pixies - Doolittle
8 - The Cure - Pornography
9 - Max Romeo & The Upsetters - War Ina Babylon
10 - Donny Hathaway - Live
11 - Eels - Electroshock Blues
12 - Melvins - Bullhead
13 - A Tribe Called Quest - Beats, Rhymes & Life
14 - Dead Kennedys - Plastic Surgery Disasters
15 - Culture - Two Seven Clash
16 - Sonic Youth - Evol
17 - Slint - Spiderland
18 - Junior Murvin - Police & Thieves
19 - Yellow Magic Orchestra - Naughty Boys
20 - Screeching Weasel - My Brains Hurts

Frownland 08-24-2014 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sparky (Post 1481024)
1.) Keys to the Kuffs-JJ Doom
2.)Madvillian-Madlib/doom
3.) In rainbows-radiohead
4.) In utero-nirvana
5.) Fantastic Damage-el-p
6.) Double Nickels on the Dime-Minutemen
7.) Live at the Witch trials-the fall
8.) Enter 36 Chambers-wu tang
9.) Engine Takes to Water-june of 44
10.) 77-talking heads
11.) Bazooka tooth-aesop rock
12.)Horses-patti smith
13.) Walls and Bridges-john lennon
14.) spiderland-slint
15.) Born like this-doom
16.) Slanted Enchanted-pavement
17.) Nevermind-nirvana
18.) Stankonia-outkast
19.) Nehru Jackets-heems
20.) Stop Making Sense-talking heads

I love Keys to the Kuffs a lot, one of my favourite DOOM albums. But wow I didn't expect it to hit anyone's list, no less take the No. 1 slot.

Mr. Red 08-24-2014 11:35 PM

My top favorite 20:

1. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
2. The Clash - London Calling
3. The Smiths - The Smiths
4. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
5. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady
6. Danny Brown - XXX
7. Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
8. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
9. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
10. The Velvet Underground - White Light / White Heat
11. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
12. Can - Tago Mago
13. Death Grips - Exmilitary
14. Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures
15. The Replacements - Let It Be
16. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
17. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
18. The Smiths - Meat is Murder
19. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
20. The Mothers of Invention - We're Only In It for The Money

Frownland 08-25-2014 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Red (Post 1481856)
My top favorite 20:

1. Captain Beefheart & His Magic Band - Trout Mask Replica
2. The Clash - London Calling
3. The Smiths - The Smiths
4. The Stone Roses - The Stone Roses
5. Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and The Sinner Lady
6. Danny Brown - XXX
7. Bob Dylan - Blonde on Blonde
8. The Smiths - The Queen is Dead
9. My Bloody Valentine - Loveless
10. The Velvet Underground - White Light / White Heat
11. The Rolling Stones - Exile on Main Street
12. Can - Tago Mago
13. Death Grips - Exmilitary
14. Cecil Taylor - Unit Structures

15. The Replacements - Let It Be
16. The Beach Boys - Pet Sounds
17. Pixies - Surfer Rosa
18. The Smiths - Meat is Murder
19. Ornette Coleman - The Shape of Jazz to Come
20. The Mothers of Invention - We're Only In It for The Money

Very good list my friend, most notably your number one since it's mine as well well. I like everything on your list but the bolded ones are especially stellar. Also good to see another Cecil fan! My favourite of his is Nefertiti, the Beautiful One Has Come, which is really worth your time if you'ven't given it a go yet.

Mr. Red 08-25-2014 07:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1481869)
Very good list my friend, most notably your number one since it's mine as well well. I like everything on your list but the bolded ones are especially stellar. Also good to see another Cecil fan! My favourite of his is Nefertiti, the Beautiful One Has Come, which is really worth your time if you'ven't given it a go yet.


You have good taste in music. Trout Mask is a masterpiece and it has become my favorite I had to put it at #1. As for that Cecil album, I haven't listened to it yet but I will. Thanks for the recommendation.

Josef K 08-25-2014 07:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by YorkeDaddy (Post 1480910)
I've noticed that Goofle prefers Tim as well which is interesting to me. I find Tim to be a wonderful record, but Let It Be is just a little more consistent and there's a couple tracks on Tim that I find to be pretty horrendous (Lay It Down Clown). Replace a couple of the mediocre tracks on Tim with Unsatisfied/I Will Dare/Androgynous and we'd have a flawless album imo.

Yeah, I agree. I don't love the production on Tim, also.

Josef K 08-25-2014 08:06 AM

  1. Spiritualized: Ladies and Gentlemen We Are Floating in Space
  2. Bruce Springsteen: Darkness on the Edge of Town
  3. Elvis Costello: Get Happy!!
  4. The Beach Boys: Pet Sounds
  5. Modest Mouse: The Lonesome Crowded West
  6. Titus Andronicus: The Monitor
  7. Belle and Sebastian: If You’re Feeling Sinister
  8. Godspeed You! Black Emperor: Lift Your Skinny Fists Like Antennas to Heaven
  9. Nick Cave: Abattoir Blues/The Lyre of Orpheus
  10. X: Los Angeles
  11. David Bowie: Station to Station
  12. The Zombies: Odessey and Oracle
  13. The Who: Quadrophenia
  14. Miles Davis: On the Corner
  15. The Rolling Stones: Exile on Main Street
  16. The Replacements: Let it Be
  17. The Jayhawks: Hollywood Town Hall
  18. Refused: The Shape of Punk to Come
  19. John Coltrane: A Love Supreme
  20. The Antlers: Hospice
For whatever it's worth, these five just barely didn't make the cut:
  • The Hold Steady: Boys and Girls in America
  • Ornette Coleman: Free Jazz
  • Charles Mingus: Mingus Ah Um
  • Marvin Gaye: What’s Going On
  • Albert Ayler: New York Eye and Ear Control

Goofle 08-25-2014 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frownland (Post 1481812)
I love Keys to the Kuffs a lot, one of my favourite DOOM albums. But wow I didn't expect it to hit anyone's list, no less take the No. 1 slot.

This.

Chips Fontaine 08-28-2014 01:28 AM

Still here gang. Keep them coming.


Chips

Sparky 09-04-2014 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goofle (Post 1481986)
This.

yeah, i kinda just said **** it because I couldn't drum up a number one. Fave of recently

Pet_Sounds 09-04-2014 06:31 AM

Man, this might take me years to get together… I'll try to come up with something though.

Chips Fontaine 09-12-2014 02:45 AM

Ok, Im going to start my top 20, and I would like to personally thank everyone who has offered their lists up to now. We still need more and there is plenty of time.

But here is number 20 on my list.

Sonic Youth
Sister


This was, without question one of the most important records of my teenage years soundtrack within my head. It's also, in my opinion, the first record Sonic Youth really "got it", from an artistic and commercial production.

Yes, they will always have that Glenn Branca overtone in everything they do, the sound is more SY's calling card than his now anyway, but beyond the walls of guitar distortion and agony, there is a real, deep, mesmerizing touch, dream like, especially on Beauty Lies In The Eye and the lead track Schizophrenia.

People will talk and rattle about how Daydream Nation is their magnum opus, I don't think so as no other SY record will be on my top 20. This is the record they got it all right, their masterpiece. They produced good records after, but they never touched this musically or lyrically.

And it never gets old for me.

10/10

Chips Fontaine 09-19-2014 02:11 AM

#19

Aerosmith
Toys In The Attic



Most males progress through life in a predictable fashion. Once sex hits the male brain, their world is never the same. Yes, its true. I still think about sex all the time. Banging everyone, or how can I come up with a line to bang someone. Would I bang the ugly chick? Of course. The girl I work with who is a lesbian? She just never had a real man like me.

Yes, predictable.

But we of course don't start out that way. In fact, most men are scared at first to talk so someone they want to have sex with. Some even, never get the nerve, or guts to ever follow through with a simple "Hello".

I was like that once.

Then I found Walk This Way, and like St. Steven says, You aint seen nothin' till you're down on the muffin....

Well, maybe it wasn't as easy as listening to a song, but it helped my confidence. This album was a game changer in not only Aerosmith career, but in every teenage boys life. Sweet Emotion dammit, the greatest Aerosmith song of all time, and get this, everyone can relate to it. I remember hearing Can't catch me cause the rabbit done died, and I thought no matter how long I live I'll never be that cool to think of something so cool to say.

Long hair, a pack of Marlboros and a Walkman with this tape in it playing walking home at night after getting laid was at the time as cool as Steve McQueen driving a Shelby or Clint Eastwood brandishing a large handgun.

Bruce Springsteen once found the key to the universe in the engine of an old parked car, this album Steven Tyler and crew taught me the key to the universe was between the legs of a girl and you can be cool trying to get it.

How can I ever thank them properly?

10/10- A Masterpiece.

KatyA 09-20-2014 06:24 PM

I do a blog where I review the Rolling Stone's 500 albums in a way that is more about how the music influences my life month to month:
Rolling Stone's 500 Album Marathon

emandthegypsies 09-21-2014 09:48 AM

Brilliant!

14232949 12-08-2015 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chips Fontaine (Post 1477477)
I have fixed the formula but have yet to edit the original post due to working on the spreadsheet so far.

Rest assured, everything is groovy.

And to answer the question brought up about my participation to this, I'm totally committed to this, and I'm working on it as soon as I see new entries. My lack of posts within this thread does not mean I'm not here. The one thing I will not do is post what I have been working on so that this does not become a contest to make a certain record the best, this is about each person's who submits a list to be counted. people not associated to magazines or editors with axes to grind or agendas, everyday people.

Can we get to 500?

I think we can, we are well over 100 as of right now and this thread is not even a week old, the thread lasts until the end of the year.


So worry not about me, I will do my duty.


Chips Fontaine

at least he didn't have to say this under oath, right?

I remember looking forward to the results of this thread. Ah well. Some other time eh?

The Identity Matrix 12-08-2015 08:20 PM

Wish I was here last year for this. This sounds Like an excellent idea.

14232949 12-09-2015 11:55 AM

To be fair, you didn't miss much. It didn't really have a conclusion.

YorkeDaddy 12-09-2015 07:42 PM

Lofty projects like this basically never have a conclusion

The Identity Matrix 12-09-2015 07:44 PM

I am guessing that is what happened to all of the 1001 albums you must hear before you die threads. They just died.


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