Trollheart's all-time favourite albums ever (ever!)

The Batlord · 12-17-2013, 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

This is one of the type of comments that comes from having a preset opinion formed from exposure to other elements (bands) that have permeated into ones mind. When the album came out, there was nothing like it and thus this was what was presented in it's intended form. Why does this "HAVE TO BE" a metal album, and not avant-garde? Who made that rule? NO ONE. The peaks and valleys of the tracks were what made this special for me.

Because they're Iron Maiden. They're a metal band and not an avant-garde metal band. They've gone more progressive and they've experimented, but they've always been a pure metal band at heart and their albums are at their best when they reflect this. On later albums, and earlier albums in fact, they rectified this mistake.

And you've pretty much illustrated one of the great points many have said over and over again. With regard to the history of metal it is certainly an important, even a landmark album. But with hindsight and without the obscuring lens of nostalgia we can see that this isn't as great an album as it was once made out to be. Even you've said as much...

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Originally Posted by Plankton

For the given time, and what they were during that time, it was revolutionary (for me).

If you have to preface it with "For the given time" then you are tacitly admitting what I've already been saying. That in the present it's overrated.

Plankton · 12-17-2013, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Because they're Iron Maiden. They're a metal band and not an avant-garde metal band. They've gone more progressive and they've experimented, but they've always been a pure metal band at heart and their albums are at their best when they reflect this. On later albums, and earlier albums in fact, they rectified this mistake.

And you've pretty much illustrated one of the great points many have said over and over again. With regard to the history of metal it is certainly an important, even a landmark album. But with hindsight and without the obscuring lens of nostalgia we can see that this isn't as great an album as it was once made out to be. Even you've said as much...

If you have to preface it with "For the given time" then you are tacitly admitting what I've already been saying. That in the present it's overrated.

You're insinuating that I think it's overrated? That I don't think it's as great now as it was when I first heard it? It still holds the same water for me as it did back in the early 80's. I thought I made that clear.

The Batlord · 12-17-2013, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

You're insinuating that I think it's overrated? That I don't think it's as great now as it was when I first heard it? It still holds the same water for me as it did back in the early 80's. I thought I made that clear.

Then what's the point of saying "For the given time"?

Plankton · 12-17-2013, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

Then what's the point of saying "For the given time"?

To help you understand my viewpoint. I'm pretty sure you weren't around when it was first released, so rather than dissecting that phrase, just try to imagine being there.

Kind of like if you all of a sudden got a new Mom. Would you love the old one less because the new one does different things for you that the old one didn't?

The Batlord · 12-17-2013, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Plankton

To help you understand my viewpoint. I'm pretty sure you weren't around when it was first released, so rather than dissecting that phrase, just try to imagine being there.

Kind of like if you all of a sudden got a new Mom. Would you love the old one less because the new one does different things for you that the old one didn't?

I understand that, but not having been there all I have to go on is personal opinion divorced from context. It seems to me that a lot of people like me don't get the hype and I think that actually does say something.

Plankton · 12-17-2013, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Batlord

I understand that, but not having been there all I have to go on is personal opinion divorced from context. It seems to me that a lot of people like me don't get the hype and I think that actually does say something.

It says (to me) that there are quite a few people out there with a mind like a steel trap.