Metallica - ...And Justice For All

TheBig3 · 08-06-2012, 08:00 AM

...but what are you saying is their best ballad?

Vertigo · 08-07-2012, 03:00 AM

There's only really 'Fade To Black' and 'Nothing Else Matters' that I'd consider as power ballads.

Out of those two, the former is by far the better song.

almauro · 08-07-2012, 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

They aren't, but I wouldn't say One is either.

The worst thing you can say about "One" it is it's half a ballad, but then I'll counter that it's Metallica pushing the boundries of what a power ballad should sound like.

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Originally Posted by Vertigo

There's only really 'Fade To Black' and 'Nothing Else Matters' that I'd consider as power ballads.

Out of those two, the former is by far the better song.

"One" begins very well within the boundaries of a standard ballad by telling a story of a sad young man, melodically with acoustic instruments, before thrashing out. Just because they change up the pace half-way through the song, doesn't stop it from being a ballad. This is a "power ballad" so these types of songs always get heavier and faster as they proceed. Because of the way it's composed, I find "One" much more interesting structurally, than "Fade to Black'. Metallica adds nothing to the power ballad form on NEM, so it's pretty conventional and boring.

Vertigo · 08-07-2012, 07:38 AM

I agree that 'One' is a superior song to 'Fade To Black' but I can't for the life of me think of it as a ballad!

Capz1990 · 08-26-2012, 07:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Vertigo

I agree that 'One' is a superior song to 'Fade To Black' but I can't for the life of me think of it as a ballad!

i probably like fade to black better to be honest

i used to like one better but that changed overtime

ones got a kind of like.... tyrannical... simplicity to it... its a very unique song

TheBig3 · 08-07-2012, 08:22 AM

I don't think Fade to Black is a power ballad in the same way Journey's Faithfully is a power ballad. Since right now the term is describing both, we should either retire it or come up with a new term for one of the songs.

almauro · 08-07-2012, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by TheBig3

I don't think Fade to Black is a power ballad in the same way Journey's Faithfully is a power ballad. Since right now the term is describing both, we should either retire it or come up with a new term for one of the songs.

There's different types of ballads. I think I'd classify Faithfully as a "love ballad", as opposed to a "murder ballad". Power ballads can be about love, murder, suicide among other things.

BastardofYoung · 08-28-2012, 12:02 AM

I love ...And Justice for All, my third fave after RtL and MoP.

For years though I thought it was amazing, but not to its potential, due to it's awful production.

Heard a remastered version that fixed some of that though, and it made me love it more.

Forward To Death · 08-28-2012, 03:09 PM

AJFA is very progressive, and the drumming is so good it makes me wonder if Lars was the guy responsible. Death Magnetic tries very hard to copy this formula.

Vertigo · 08-29-2012, 03:46 AM

I don't personally feel though that ...And Justice For All has any significantly weaker tracks on it - 'Frayed Ends of Sanity' is the weakest, but it's really only the introduction that makes it so.

Conversely, I could happily skip two tracks listening to Master of Puppets. In all the years I've listened to the album I'd have to say I've tolerated, rather than really liked, 'The Thing That Should Not Be.' 'Damage Inc.' seems to be misplaced. Not to take away from the track, but it just doesn't feel right to me, as if it was just something they stuck on the end to finish the album.

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08-07-2012, 03:00 AM	#2 (permalink)
Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	There's only really 'Fade To Black' and 'Nothing Else Matters' that I'd consider as power ballads. Out of those two, the former is by far the better song.

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Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	I agree that 'One' is a superior song to 'Fade To Black' but I can't for the life of me think of it as a ballad!

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Forward To Death Trolier Than Thou Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,336	AJFA is very progressive, and the drumming is so good it makes me wonder if Lars was the guy responsible. Death Magnetic tries very hard to copy this formula.

08-29-2012, 03:46 AM	#10 (permalink)
Vertigo Music Addict Join Date: May 2012 Location: North West England Posts: 167	I don't personally feel though that ...And Justice For All has any significantly weaker tracks on it - 'Frayed Ends of Sanity' is the weakest, but it's really only the introduction that makes it so. Conversely, I could happily skip two tracks listening to Master of Puppets. In all the years I've listened to the album I'd have to say I've tolerated, rather than really liked, 'The Thing That Should Not Be.' 'Damage Inc.' seems to be misplaced. Not to take away from the track, but it just doesn't feel right to me, as if it was just something they stuck on the end to finish the album.