4:13 Dream - The Cure (bass, pop, rock, single, albums)

FireInCairo · 10-29-2008, 10:01 PM

4:13 Dream - The Cure

1. Underneath the stars
2. Only One
3. Reasons why
4. Freakshow
5. Sirensong
6. Real snow white
7. hungry Ghost
8. Switch
9. Perfect boy
10. This, here and now. With you
11. Sleep when I'm dead
12. Scream
13. It's over

This is my first review so bear with me if I somehow commit a terrible faux pas.

As a long time Cure fan, my expectations of this album were quite low due to their output being inconsistent to say the least since the the end of the eighties.
One thing about the cure that I feel people so often look over in their reviews and assessments of this band, is that they are different things to different people. Their catalogue stretches from the most desperate depression of the dark trilogy (17 seconds, Faith and pornography), to the MTV propelled pop superstars they became with singles like Lovecats, Close to me and Let's go to bed, and then of course the one that combined the extremes providing stately melancholic instrumentation alongside pop gems in Disintegration.
With this album, initially slated to be a double album, they have attempted to make a record which recalls the accessibility of Disintegration - In Robert Smith's words, a completion of the trilogy, best representing the Cure as he prefers them, comprising the aforementioned Disintegration, Bloodflowers and this.

I have to say I was pleasantly surprised on my first spin...It has songs, with riffs....and hooks! The songwriting on here is decent, certainly it doesn't stack up to Disintegration or the like, but it most definitely outshines wish, bloodflowers and self-titled.

However, on my second spin, a horrible fact began to sink in...the mix and production is atrocious.
It seems like the Cure have fallen victim to the liberation and subsequent cheesy overuse of either Logic or Protools. Everything is swamped in about 15 tracks of guitars and sounds, and that is in the 'quiet' moments.
Added to this is the compression, it subscribes to that horrible anti-HI-FI trend of over compression that seems to be plaguing almost all modern records. After a while it feels like someone is smashing your head in with an oversized sledgehammer. Also, there is this little buzzing sound that if you're listening isnt wholly attentive sounds like a giant fly buzzing around the studio, irritating. In almost every song there is this little sparkling effect...overused.

The minimalism so inherent in the cure's best work is utterly forgotten here, and the two guitar attack and almost irrelevant bass does not really do their sound justice. It comes across like a standard rock band with the guitars providing complimentary parts and the bass aping one of them. Where are the fender bass Vis and the echoed drums??
They have tried to give the fans what they want with this record, and to a large degree they succeed.
The main signature of the cure, in Robert's voice, is still there caterwauling in fine fashion, even the keys and scales sound the part, but the instrumentation and the production let this release down.
This is a modern pop/rock record and as that it functions well but it is not by any means, a classic cure record.

I'm sure my overall judgement is clear.
Thoughts?

Fruitonica · 10-30-2008, 07:18 AM

Nice review, well written and concise. The only thing I could ask for is a little more specific detail, but that's a small issue.

I've never really gotten into The Cure but you've got me interested. What would you say is a good album to start with?

If you want to add it, here's the artwork.

FireInCairo · 11-01-2008, 06:02 AM

Hi thanks for the artwork and the praise.
I was considering doing a track by track...but i am currently undergoing some examinations for my final year of high school, so time restrictions had to be observed.
I got into the cure through their greatest hits, which provides a small insight into most of their main albums but a more credible path may be through Disintegration or Three imaginary boys (their debut).

Fruitonica · 11-01-2008, 07:05 AM

Thanks, I'll check them out.

I'm in the middle of my final exams as well, so far it's all been pretty good. What subjects do you do?

FireInCairo · 11-01-2008, 07:09 AM

I've only had one so far
Drama
Media
English literature
Legal Studies
History - revolutions china and russia
and I did psychology last year

how about you?

Fruitonica · 11-01-2008, 08:08 AM

Advanced and extension english
Ancient History
and Advanced maths, but I gave up on that a while ago so I just napped through most of it.

I've got Physics and Engineering to go.

And as a depressing piece of trivia, I wrote 8 pages for my Extension essay, and my twin sister wrote 20.

FireInCairo · 11-01-2008, 08:25 AM

hahaha oh no!
Im so artsy...
i wouldnt have a clue in engineering physics or maths
I really regret dropping music for legal, it sounds like i would have had an easy ride from what my girlfriend tells me
when is it over for you?
my last is on the 17th

Astronomer · 11-01-2008, 08:18 PM

Good luck with your exams guys... I did mine this exact time three years ago, I was one of the artsy ones too haha.

On topic: Good review, thanks for posting this. I've been wondering what this new one from The Cure would be like and read the most unhelpful review ever in The Age this morning. I'm thinking of getting my hands on it but that's such a let-down about the instrumentation and production.

FireInCairo · 11-01-2008, 09:22 PM

Its still really good (I am guilty of a certain amount of hyperbole in that review)
i recommend you get it.
Thanks heaps.

10-29-2008, 10:01 PM	#1 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	4:13 Dream - The Cure 4:13 Dream - The Cure 1. Underneath the stars 2. Only One 3. Reasons why 4. Freakshow 5. Sirensong 6. Real snow white 7. hungry Ghost 8. Switch 9. Perfect boy 10. This, here and now. With you 11. Sleep when I'm dead 12. Scream 13. It's over This is my first review so bear with me if I somehow commit a terrible faux pas. As a long time Cure fan, my expectations of this album were quite low due to their output being inconsistent to say the least since the the end of the eighties. One thing about the cure that I feel people so often look over in their reviews and assessments of this band, is that they are different things to different people. Their catalogue stretches from the most desperate depression of the dark trilogy (17 seconds, Faith and pornography), to the MTV propelled pop superstars they became with singles like Lovecats, Close to me and Let's go to bed, and then of course the one that combined the extremes providing stately melancholic instrumentation alongside pop gems in Disintegration. With this album, initially slated to be a double album, they have attempted to make a record which recalls the accessibility of Disintegration - In Robert Smith's words, a completion of the trilogy, best representing the Cure as he prefers them, comprising the aforementioned Disintegration, Bloodflowers and this. I have to say I was pleasantly surprised on my first spin...It has songs, with riffs....and hooks! The songwriting on here is decent, certainly it doesn't stack up to Disintegration or the like, but it most definitely outshines wish, bloodflowers and self-titled. However, on my second spin, a horrible fact began to sink in...the mix and production is atrocious. It seems like the Cure have fallen victim to the liberation and subsequent cheesy overuse of either Logic or Protools. Everything is swamped in about 15 tracks of guitars and sounds, and that is in the 'quiet' moments. Added to this is the compression, it subscribes to that horrible anti-HI-FI trend of over compression that seems to be plaguing almost all modern records. After a while it feels like someone is smashing your head in with an oversized sledgehammer. Also, there is this little buzzing sound that if you're listening isnt wholly attentive sounds like a giant fly buzzing around the studio, irritating. In almost every song there is this little sparkling effect...overused. The minimalism so inherent in the cure's best work is utterly forgotten here, and the two guitar attack and almost irrelevant bass does not really do their sound justice. It comes across like a standard rock band with the guitars providing complimentary parts and the bass aping one of them. Where are the fender bass Vis and the echoed drums?? They have tried to give the fans what they want with this record, and to a large degree they succeed. The main signature of the cure, in Robert's voice, is still there caterwauling in fine fashion, even the keys and scales sound the part, but the instrumentation and the production let this release down. This is a modern pop/rock record and as that it functions well but it is not by any means, a classic cure record. I'm sure my overall judgement is clear. Thoughts? __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires. Last edited by FireInCairo; 11-01-2008 at 05:59 AM.

11-01-2008, 06:02 AM	#3 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	Hi thanks for the artwork and the praise. I was considering doing a track by track...but i am currently undergoing some examinations for my final year of high school, so time restrictions had to be observed. I got into the cure through their greatest hits, which provides a small insight into most of their main albums but a more credible path may be through Disintegration or Three imaginary boys (their debut). __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

11-01-2008, 07:09 AM	#5 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	I've only had one so far Drama Media English literature Legal Studies History - revolutions china and russia and I did psychology last year how about you? __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

11-01-2008, 08:25 AM	#7 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	hahaha oh no! Im so artsy... i wouldnt have a clue in engineering physics or maths I really regret dropping music for legal, it sounds like i would have had an easy ride from what my girlfriend tells me when is it over for you? my last is on the 17th __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.

11-01-2008, 08:18 PM	#8 (permalink)
Astronomer we are stardust Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 2,894	Good luck with your exams guys... I did mine this exact time three years ago, I was one of the artsy ones too haha. On topic: Good review, thanks for posting this. I've been wondering what this new one from The Cure would be like and read the most unhelpful review ever in The Age this morning. I'm thinking of getting my hands on it but that's such a let-down about the instrumentation and production. __________________

10-30-2008, 07:18 AM	#2 (permalink)
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 917	Nice review, well written and concise. The only thing I could ask for is a little more specific detail, but that's a small issue. I've never really gotten into The Cure but you've got me interested. What would you say is a good album to start with? If you want to add it, here's the artwork.

11-01-2008, 07:05 AM	#4 (permalink)
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 917	Thanks, I'll check them out. I'm in the middle of my final exams as well, so far it's all been pretty good. What subjects do you do?

11-01-2008, 08:08 AM	#6 (permalink)
Fruitonica Pale and Wan Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Aus Posts: 917	Advanced and extension english Ancient History and Advanced maths, but I gave up on that a while ago so I just napped through most of it. I've got Physics and Engineering to go. And as a depressing piece of trivia, I wrote 8 pages for my Extension essay, and my twin sister wrote 20.

11-01-2008, 09:22 PM	#9 (permalink)
FireInCairo Later on... Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne Posts: 1,235	Its still really good (I am guilty of a certain amount of hyperbole in that review) i recommend you get it. Thanks heaps. __________________ O G MUDBONE: Only You can prevent forest fires.