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Originally Posted by tore
As I wrote earlier, scientists are not complete idiots. What you're describing is the danger of hidden variables which is likely the most well known pitfall of statistics known to science. Really, they are aware of these potential problems and have methods to work around them to reach their conclusions. Had it been one study with some obvious flaw, I could've seen your point. But we're talking about a wealth of studies and it's not like science is without quality control.
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It has nothing to do with scientists and how smart they are. I don't think
anyone can really determine if a child being spanked directly leads to violence issues. It doesn't matter how many studies there are, there are just too many factors growing up that make the relationship of spanking and adult violence not worthy of holding stock for me.
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Right from wrong is obviously very subjective. From the point of view of me and perhaps Scandinavia in general, it didn't teach you right from wrong because you think violence is an okay part of bringing up your child. To me, had you learned right from wrong, you would've learned that you don't hit kids. Excercising your parenting philosophy here would be a crime punishable by law.
So, the "it helped me learn right from wrong" point, which has been made a number of times, has little very relevance and actually seems ridiculously ironic/hypocritical from here.
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You are correct, right and wrong are subjective. You see a problem with lightly spanking your child to teach them a lesson and I do not, so I guess there isn't much of a further point to be made. But we could probably all agree on basic right from wrong, such as teaching your kid that stealing is not ok. I am glad I do not live where you live though, as that law would be in direct conflict with how I wish to parent my future kids and I can't imagine how silly it would be to get cuffed in a super market for slapping your child on the hand or something.
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You write as if saying "no" is the only disciplinary alternative there is to corporal punishment. If these kids are so cognitively handicapped, do you expect they will really understand dad's justification for hurting his kid? I don't think so, but I believe it hurts, both physically and emotionally. I also know kids learn real fast from their parents behaviour and will absorb that spanking like a sponge.
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I believe that when a child is spanked, they know what action caused them to be spanked and they will likely not repeat that action for fear of being spanked again. Within minutes the sting of a light slap goes away and the kid has learned their lesson. As they get older and become able to understand and comprehend at a higher level, they can reflect and understand the reasoning behind the spanking - which is to teach them what is appropriate and what isn't.