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Originally Posted by Conan
I think my initial post was misunderstood anyway. I didn't mean simply the backing music, but the genre itself - which is defined primarily by it's center, the vocal technique of rapping. But there's more to hip hop than rapping. You wouldn't call that Dylan song posted earlier hip hop would you? It's an asthetic and culture yes, but it also has a sound that makes it distinct from other styles of music which incorporate rapping, as was brought out.
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Well for the record, yeah, I would describe the Louis Jordan song as jazz basically because jazz is the framework within which he played. At the same time though I certainly think it's fair to describe it as a notable precursor to hip hop or to even go as far as describing it as proto-hip hop. That's really all Jester and I were saying about it. I think we would both acknowledge that, yeah, it existed prior to the hip hop idiom, but it's still shockingly hip hop for it's time.
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Originally Posted by Conan
Sampling is one defining characteristic, which is likely why the genre is so varied to begin with...
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Agreed. I've heard it described as the first post-modern form of music which I think is one of the things that make it stylistically hard to pin down in a lot of ways.