Originally Posted by Janszoon

Yes, I think you're missing the point altogether. What I'm saying is that, whether there is or isn't a god, a lot of believers have this incredibly shallow, self-serving take on it. Thinking god helps them win at blackjack, god helps their team win the Superbowl, god gets them a raise, etc., etc. It's so incredibly self-absorbed, anti-philosphical and self-contradictory that it's pretty sad, and it's very much the antithesis of believing in "something greater than ourselves".