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Old 12-23-2010, 09:24 AM   #18 (permalink)
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Yes, I would consider Torture Garden incredibly significant to both metal, and jazz. But don't assume just because I have Zorn in my avatar doesn't mean I'm speaking of him in particular.
Zorn just always hooks up with the right people, like that Boredoms guy. Although, I do think very highly of Masada.




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Grindcore and black metal are essentially meldings of standard metal and other genres - they're not distinctively metal. A LOT of grindcore sounds like a rational altercation between metal and hardcore punk/powerviolence. In that case, punk is JUST as innovative as metal, because it too has branched into something different.
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You're being awfully difficult, aren't you? This just isn't true; while punk as a 'lifestyle' has become a complete joke (**** bands like Choking Victim, Leftover Crack, Star ****ing Hipsters, absolute disgraces to the term 'punk'), several of the famed punk artists of the 80s still release music; in fact, in their old age they tend to be more inventive, experimenting with wider arrangements of people, paving the way for new expression. Their anger most certainly has not died. Much like any other genre, it's become stagnated due to an overwhelming increase in terrible copycat bands, but that happens in EVERY genre, even metal.
I also scoff at the bands you mentioned so we have something in common. What new stuff by 80's era punk (or post punk) do you recommend? As for your last statement about copycat bands, the thing is with metal, I still like the copycat bands! And it's not just because I'm more forgiving with metal (or is it?).
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