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Originally Posted by Paloma
You seem to put your "sizeism" bull**** on the same plane as racism or homophobia. You cannot help being gay or of a different race, and therefore should not be **** on for it. However, the majority of people who are fat CAN help it. Sure, I understand that some people eat for comfort, take some responsibility for yourself and get a shrink and find the real problem. Society really is becoming too fat friendly these days, and unlike being gay or being black or mexican or whatever you are, it can damage your health. You can be a size activist all you want, but it won't be for that long if you're so okay with being obese.
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I'm not surprised to read this from you since you engage in sizeist behavior. It's a typical sizeist argument. Again, unless you have looked at a fat person's medical records and have spoken to them about their fat history, you have no idea
why they're fat. You can't assume that they "can help it." There are many reasons why a person may be fat, many of them not related to food or mobility, and often related to genetics. Your assumption that people can control their weight is, again, simply based on size and that fact that you don't like fat or fat people, rather than actual knowledge of why fat people are fat.
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Originally Posted by Pedestrian
On the topic of society, believe me, it's absolutely not fat friendly in the slightest. I think it's just shy of rounding all the overweight people up and stoning them to death. I think Thirtiesgirl has a lot of great sentiments, but is just taking the smallest details out of context, and honestly, I think she came in here looking for a fight.
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Hon, I really didn't. I posted in this thread, as I said above, to present an alternative to the usual
raison d'etre of pics being posted here. Had Zaq not questioned me on it and Paloma not engaged in overt fat hatred, this discussion would never have ensued.
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
The fact still remains he posted a picture of a woman of a woman he found attractive and a woman he didn't.
It was YOU who bought up the fat issue, all I said was that he could have posted a picture of any woman that is disliked by people whether that woman be fat, thin, yellow, orange, purple ...whatever.
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Hate, you continue to maintain your disingenuousness here. I honestly can't believe that you
don't see Zaq's intentions. If he wanted to make the point that his lack of attraction to Beth Ditto is based on her personality, he could have posted pics of Beth in comparison to other fat women like Mama Cass, Adele, the Gravy Train girls, etc. He wouldn't have to limit it to music, either. There's Roseanne, Mindy Cohn, Delta Burke, Melissa McCarthy, Camryn Manheim, etc. His point in posting pics of Beth with slender women was to comment on her size and nothing more.
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
And one last thing, please don't make assumptions about people posting here. 'How you feel about us', What is that supposed to mean?
My Mother, my sister and myself have battled with weight issues before.
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If you're not one of the many guys who have posted pics of women here solely based on their appearance, then you have nothing to worry about, hon. If you've walked the earth as a fat person, and "battled with weight issues" as you say, then you'll know how fat people are treated by the general public. We're seen as less than, socially unacceptable, unattractive, lazy, slovenly, unambitious, etc, etc. If you've experienced any of those things before (which I'm guessing that you have, since that's usually a large part of the reason why people strive to lose weight), I'd think you'd want to help create a social environment where people of all sizes and shapes can feel accepted, appreciated and understood.
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
Stop making yourself out to be a victim or a martyr all the time.
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Hon, I'm a fat person dealing with open fat hatred and fear on an internet forum. I believe I'm allowed to defend myself and stand up for what I believe in.
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Originally Posted by Urban Hatemonger
While it's admirable you want to do something about this try picking your battles a little better. All I've seen you do so far is gloss over what people say to push your own agenda and personally I think that is one of the most annoying things you can do on a forum.
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Size acceptance is not just
my agenda. It's the agenda of many people in the world and one that I will advocate for under any circumstances. As I wrote above, had Zaq not questioned my decision to post pics of women who *I* admire in this thread because he wanted to make an issue of his assessment of Beth's unattractiveness, and had Paloma not engaged in open fat hatred, this discussion would never have occurred. I'm not going to let sizeism slide when it occurs, and it might help to have more size advocates here so we could avoid discussions like this in the future.